Cambrian House Forums - Recent Posts for Feelrz: mobile proximity alertshttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums/feelrz/Recent Forum Posts for Feelrz: mobile proximity alertsenhttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/0xdeadbeef/logorss.gifCambrian House Forums - Recent Posts for Feelrz: mobile proximity alertshttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums/feelrz/14440Does anyone know?http://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/help-bugs/1912/#post-13332Help & Bugswilliam_vil

4 years, 8 months ago

Firstly you just tell me that what type of certificate you need? Anyway here is site called birthrecordsonline. It’s provides online birth record verification where you can get help. If you want any more help please let me know.

All the best!
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Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:26:44 -0600
Does anyone know?http://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/help-bugs/1912/#post-13222Help & Bugssalvador

4 years, 8 months ago

Hi friends,

I an employer and I just want to verify an employee's birth information. I’m looking for actual birth certificates of each and every employee. So is there anybody who can help me? Any idea will be highly appreciated!
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Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:35:18 -0600
Can someone help me?http://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1898/#post-13184Open Discussionisabelle

4 years, 8 months ago

Yes!! You simply go on http://www.birthreco...-birth-records.html] California birth records and verify all employees’ birth records. It’s really great way to verify online birth record verification for all-purpose.

Hope this will help you. Good luck!
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Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:45:18 -0600
Can someone help me?http://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1898/#post-13078Open Discussionsalvador

4 years, 8 months ago

Hi all,

I’m HR of a Company in California. Actually I want to verify birth record of each and every employee of my company. I have some way but they are unable provide easily. Can someone help me to search out the birth records?

Any suggestion will be highly appreciated!
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Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:28:14 -0600
making the device prototypehttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1118/#post-8620Open Discussionanathema

5 years ago

Carrier fees only apply, as far as I am aware,to actual meaningful location data: latitude/longitude etc . The point of the location tags as I see it is to lend meaning to the Cell ID data which is available for the cost of transferring a few bytes over the ether. (at least it is on my device and carrier. Testing would be required to assess its portability). Devices on different networks say would not know they were in close proximity due to the Cell ID data being different.
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Tue, 08 May 2007 02:06:28 -0600
making the device prototypehttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1118/#post-8545Open Discussionscrollinondubs

5 years ago

Richard,

I believe you're right on the bluetooth signal not being strong enough for it to be useful- i just tried sync'ing my treo to my laptop from across my house and it didn't locate it. It would have to have at least 20yrds of range for this service to be meaningful if it's running over local bluetooth. You're probably right that it would need to utilize the LBS method.



If you can put together a functional prototype, go nuts with it. My vision was a bit different for how the service would work but this issue of the bluetooth signal dashes that idea so run with your ideas if you can make something worthwhile.



Piggybacking the Twitter user base is an excellent idea- like you said, no sense in trying to start from scratch and knowing Evan Williams' philosophy, I bet he'd be thrilled to have services built on top of Twitter.



As far as putting the db on the phone- I'm not sure I understand the significance of storing localities like "work, home, etc." The idea (as you know) is to have it work anywhere when you're out and about allowing you to discover when acquaintances are nearby and facilitate spontaneous encounters. If what you're proposing helps achieve that, go for it.



Let me know if you put something together. Again, I believe this is one that is fundable if it works. I envisioned the free version allowing you to discover only people that were explicitly in your network, while the premium version would allow you to discover strangers when both parties were running Feelrz in "permiscous" mode. The free version is valuable enough to download to connect with friends and there's an enticing-enough carrot to get some of those to convert to paying. I'm still concerned about the carrier fees for the LBS data under this scenario. what do you think?



sean
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Sun, 06 May 2007 19:34:33 -0600
making the device prototypehttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1118/#post-8069Open Discussionanathema

5 years, 1 month ago

Sean,



I guess you don't have much time to devote to this at the moment but it has been continuing to bounce around my head and I feel like I need to get feedback on some ideas:



i) The application could integrate with twitter using its API to perform many of the tasks that would be required such as finding friends etc. No sense re-inventing the wheel and twitter has an already established user base to which we could market it.



ii) The range of bluetooth is too short to be really useful for locating people. Most times if they are in bluetooth range then they are already visible.



iii) I propose setting up a database which will give meaningful names to the Cellid data which can easily be obtained. Each user would have a home, maybe work and some other commonly visited places as would each group. The database would be small enough to be hosted locally on each user's phone with some sort of synchronisation being done over bluetooth when within range or possibly over the network.



iv) Use should be made of GPS features where they are available.



I don't know any more whether my ideas coincide with yours at all but I think they are now coherent enough to put together a prototype. Correct me if I'm wrong. I also have ideas for various other twitter related mashups, mobile and otherwise.



Hope to hear from you soon,





Richard
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Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:02:23 -0600
making the device prototypehttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1118/#post-7895Open Discussionanathema

5 years, 1 month ago

On April 23, 2007, 9:08 am anathema said:





Hi Sean,





I have spent a few hours today researching the availability of positional services to cellphone applications.





In Java as far as I can ascertain it is not possible to obtain positional data other than from a GPS device, either on board or over bluetooth. Of course Java could interface to native code but it would probably be as easy to implement the whole thing in native code.





In Symbian S60 it is possible to obtain cell data. Four values are obtained:





MCC: Mobile country code


MNC: Mobile network code


LAC: Location area code


CELLID: Based on the mast currently in use





There are various databases available which can translate these parameters into a geographical location. I have not fully investigated these yet but I will.





On S60 3rd edition which is the device which I favour there are security certification issues regarding access to positional data. While I have a rudimentary application which accesses this data running on my phone it will not run on your phone without developer certification specifically for your IMEI number. The way around this eventually is to apply for a commercial certification from Symbian





I have not yet researched other platforms such as BREW and Windows mobile.








Best regards,











Richard


























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Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:08:59 -0600
making the device prototypehttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1118/#post-7709Open Discussionscrollinondubs

5 years, 1 month ago

reposting a private message to anathema to kick off the public dialogue on this and open up discussion...





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Richard,





i drafted a brief summary of the opportunity as I see it here.





As far as a feature spec, my weekend is pretty shot with a wedding today and a bunch of other crap tomorrow so I won't have anything for you before next week. If you want to take a crack at building a simple app for the phone that allows you to extract the location data and send as XML or some other neatly-packaged format to a server, that's really all the device piece needs to do at this point to prove the concept. We'll need to think a bit about what that message format should look like since it should ideally be standardized across all devices and i have no idea how these things send location data (ie is it some representation of strength of signal between cell towers? if so it's gotta be converted to a gps coordinate at some point to be useful...). Anyways, I'm assuming you have some experience with all this.








FYI: in all likelihood I will not be the day-to-day Idea Champion on this one if it takes off. I run two tech startups right now and that eclipses most of my time. if this concept works and is big as I imagine it could be, it will need somebody with more daily bandwidth to drive it. My goal is to help put some forward motion to it initially, see what type of reception it gets and if it looks promising, to then find that person and take more of a strategic hands-off role than a day-to-day project manager role. Just wanted to let you know my situation so you can decide whether it's still something you're interested in working on it. I have no idea how the compensation system in CH works these days but my philosophy is that compensation/ownership should be directly tied to value of contribution- so however the best way to achieve that is how it will be set up.





Anyways, lemmeknow if you get something together and I'll try and round up the other technical people that I believe need to be involved to get the server piece. I didn't set up a Trac/SVN instance- you can use w/ the CH one for now and if enough people get involved we can probably convince CH to integrate Trac or move it to an external server to get the advantage of the ticket system.





sean













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Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:44:12 -0600
Introduce yourselfhttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1150/#post-7884Open Discussionanathema

5 years, 1 month ago

Hi, I'm Richard and I'm hoping to look after software development on the client side and am adaptable to any other roles the project manager may see fit.





I have 25 years software development experience right back to the BBC Model B home computer in Basic and 6502 assembler as a spotty youth.





I dropped out of college and went to work for British Sports Car maker, Lotus initially implementing a component tracking system in DBase, moving on to development of powertrain control systems in M68HC11 assembler.





A spell developing OCR/Key from image software at Lloyds of London followed and at the age of 27 I found myself in a position developing similar software for a provider of OCR systems in Milton Keynes.





I had clearly become too Geeky for my own god and decided it was time to get a life. This I have done and my primary role at the moment is one of Childcare while working nights for American Ubercourier UPS.





I have however maintained my Geeky side,largely out of the view of my spouse, and have completedmany projects, mostly in Java on rentacoder.





Over the last few years my interest has focused on mobile devices having spent much effort on WAP development, a technology that is now all but dead with the rapid rise of 3G phones and I was heavily involved in development of aftermarket applications for the Gizmondo, the first handheld games console to include GPS.





More recently I have been developing for the Symbian mobile phone platform the results of which can be seen in my own project, blastfm.





I am hoping to combine this project with feelrz and I feel there will be many areas of crossover.















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Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:19:21 -0600
Introduce yourselfhttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1150/#post-7883Open Discussionscrollinondubs

5 years, 1 month ago

this would be the place to tell a bit about yourself if you have interest in becoming involved with this project. Current needs are expressed on the exec summary- http://www.scrollino....com/ideas/feelrz />

i'll move things into the wiki as we build out. I'd like to identify a small core team of device developers, (Symbian, Windows, J2ME), potentially an interface designer and someone with some design skill and passion to create a killer site that tells the Feelrz story. If this app is feasible to run over Bluetooth, that would simplify a lot of issues.





As far as my own background- i currently run the startup http://www.JumpBox.com-' target='_blank'>http://www.JumpBox.com- we can deploy any open source linux app in this fashion so it installs in 30sec and runs on any OS. I have ten years of experience working in web. Much of that time was spent as a programmer then technical consultant and now I'm working more on the business side doing strategic and administrative stuff for our startup. I'm heavily committed on that project but excited about the prospect of the Feelrz idea because it's something I selfishly want for myself and just about everyone I ping with the idea says they'd use it if it existed.





Leave a note here with your qualifications, relevant experience and interest if you would like to be a part of this project. The good news is if we can put together a functional prototype even (if it's primitive) this is something I could potentially get funded.





I look forward to working w/ smart people here to build some amazing things and share the wealth.





sean








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Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:27:07 -0600
prelim research on positional serviceshttp://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1135/#post-7816Open Discussionscrollinondubs

5 years, 1 month ago

reposting this private message from Richard.


it sounds like the local bluetooth discovery method is looking more realistic for this project.


sean








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On April 23, 2007, 9:08 am anathema said:








Hi Sean,





I have spent a few hours today researching the availability of positional services to cellphone applications.





In Java as far as I can ascertain it is not possible to obtain positional data other than from a GPS device, either on board or over bluetooth. Of course Java could interface to native code but it would probably be as easy to implement the whole thing in native code.





In Symbian S60 it is possible to obtain cell data. Four values are obtained:





MCC: Mobile country code





MNC: Mobile network code





LAC: Location area code





CELLID: Based on the mast currently in use





There are various databases available which can translate these parameters into a geographical location. I have not fully investigated these yet but I will.





On S60 3rd edition which is the device which I favour there are security certification issues regarding access to positional data. While I have a rudimentary application which accesses this data running on my phone it will not run on your phone without developer certification specifically for your IMEI number. The way around this eventually is to apply for a commercial certification from Symbian





I have not yet researched other platforms such as BREW and Windows mobile.





Best regards,








Richard

































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Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:11:09 -0600
bluetooth instead of LBS?http://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1126/#post-7811Open Discussionanathema

5 years, 1 month ago

I think it is still interesting and indeed necessary given the margin of error of the CellID based positional data. Another thing to consider is the increasing proliferation of phones with GPS. A Nokia N95 for instance would be an ideal platform for such an application. Unfortunately I don't have one...
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Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:20:56 -0600
bluetooth instead of LBS?http://www.cambrianhouse.com/business/forums-topic/feelrz/open-discussion/1126/#post-7778Open Discussionscrollinondubs

5 years, 1 month ago

Ritchie made an interesting suggestion to me in a private message- "what about running this over Bluetooth instead of using location-based services and SMS?" It's interesting for a couple reasons:





Axe a lot of the current hurdles (both business and technical) would go away in that scenario. we could sidestep all the fee arrangements with getting the LBS data from the carriers and the bluetooth app should be much simpler to develop


Axe it wouldn't have the "big brother" objection of reporting your location to our servers since it would run locally


Axe there would be no server component to author and manage


Axe zero OTA traffic means no extra carrier fees and no need to actually know GPS coords or poll the phone for its position - discovery should occur much quicker


Axe and the best one- the app itself could be transmitted via bluetooth to other devices of the same OS and then immediately paired making it immediately useful and viral





many of my friends have Treo's and i've given the Google Maps Palm OS app to most of them by beaming it via infrared. this idea that you can transmit the app and then pair it and have something that's immediately useful is _very_ compelling.





the questions this change raises though:


Axe is it feasible to produce this app using Bluetooth as the communication and discovery protocol? how wide could the discovery radius be? seems like it would be limited to discovering if a friend was in the same bar or restaurant as opposed to within a city block...is that still interesting?


Axe without channeling messages through a central server where's the focal point to be able to charge for this? do a free contact-limited version avail for download and unlimited contacts and premium features on registration? loses the recurring service revenue but perhaps it's worth it for the simplicity and atomic-ness of the offering


Axe it kills the idea of seeding a contact list using social networking credentials since there's no account config to be done - does that matter? maybe a way to exchange bluetooth keys over email and enter them or SMS them...even possible to pair bluetooth devices without having them physically together?





other random thoughts:


would it be interesting to have ability to meet other complete strangers with their "feelrz" out? could become a craze in itself...





piracy of the app would actually be okay and even desirable since this is one of those things that (like a fax machine) is worthless when there's only one in existence but gets exponentially more valuable as more nodes come up due to the network effects. the people that are going to pay will pay but having a bunch of instances out there quickly makes it more interesting.





what are the other implications of this suggestion? anybody have experience in writing mobile device apps that utilize Bluetooth? how difficult would it be to develop a primitive prototype?





sean





















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