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WYSIWYG for Mobil HTML

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For user who don't know code the Mobil WISIWIG is a code maker that makes mobile websites easy to make. Unlike advanced web codeing our product keeps it simple.

The Idea

WYSIWYG: What You See Is What You Get.

WYSIWYG editors have been around for a ages, there are lots of programs for making web pages now. Except, what about Mobil web standards? This area of the web is relatively new and untaped.

I think Cambrian House should make a WYSIWYG program just for mobile phone web pages. A simple program that breaks down the steps for people so they can make a nice mobile web page.

It would work exactly like other WYSIWYG programs except designed for mobile phone web standards. Also, a mobile phone WISIWYG would be not be as hard to make as typical WISIWYG programs because mobile phone standards are lower and simpler.

To sum things up: If you like using you phone for surfing the web vote for this idea.

Note: This program is not for advanced users. It is for people that don't know code.

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I thought of this idea when I was...

Surfing the Internet on my mobile phone.

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santabarbaralife
santabarbaralife Posted: November 2, 2007, 11:33 pm

I want access to the best. The iPhone isn't perfect, but it is a strong attempt at offering real web access, nothing simplified, nothing dumbed down. I like the idea, I just think it's for another audience other than myself. From my perspective, I would rather have the web based tools to create a more intricate page online (than mobile phone tools on a tiny screen could allow) and then have access it via my mobile.

santabarbaralife
santabarbaralife Posted: November 2, 2007, 11:46 pm

Ah, my bad, I see you intended the mobile site to be created online. Accessing the "real" web is probably going to be a golden standard vs. reformatting internet content. The technology is there, and Mac will have (or has) competition. I do understand that enough of the market will be slow to adopt, this idea has merit.

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: November 3, 2007, 2:26 am

Accessing the "real" web is perfectly possible right now and has been possibly for a very long time. I do it all the time on my mobile phone. But, still sites need to be set up to view and work properly on mobile phones.

For one they can't view large images, they can't display formating right, the page size is always to small compared to most websites original intentions.

This software program is used to create websites specifically made for viewing on mobile. Not for making websites on your mobile.

vanhees
vanhees Posted: November 6, 2007, 2:21 am

Just do it
I can't help you on this one, but I can see the need.
Tommy

JustMe
JustMe Posted: November 7, 2007, 1:03 pm

I know nothing about code. I like anything that makes things easier for non-techies.

zentropy
zentropy Posted: November 7, 2007, 1:58 pm

I suppose a regular WYSIWYG editor can be used to create pages for mobile phones, but a thing to maximize cross mobile platform compatibility is using xhtml 1.1 Basic as DOCTYPE for the website. XHTML 1.1 Basic is a subset that is specifically intended for websites on mobile devices. XHTML 2.0 will make this sort of stuff even easier. So the doctype is important and then following the rules of the doctype so that it gets fully w3c compliance. Once you have that down, then you have a working website for a mobile device. So to create such an editor, you have to let it create XHTML 1.1 Basic DOCTYPE pages (for maximum compatibility) and in the future XHTML2.0.

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: November 7, 2007, 3:59 pm

Well, it is all about how the code is checked. With a regular WYSIWYG editors they don't care at all about being complaint with mobile phones. It is like this, sure you can make everything in notepad if you want but having a truly dedicated system is much more convenient.

Some other features they don't have is screen size and emulations for mobile viewing. Also, they don't try to comply with valid code rules or mobile rules.

fish99
fish99 Posted: November 7, 2007, 5:51 pm

I think this could be a good project...The mobile space is growing all the time and in many countries, the mobile phone is the first introduction to the internet.

siddey
siddey Posted: November 7, 2007, 9:10 pm

Sounds good. Get in quick! I think crowdsourcing design templates that have been verified to render ok on various models would be valuable.

People would then test render their work using the different templates and if all is ok, they'd publish the results.

Brenden
Brenden Posted: November 7, 2007, 10:20 pm

How would you use the crowd to develop this idea?

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: November 7, 2007, 10:24 pm

The same way people use the crowd to make software. Not a hard concept.

LarsBell
LarsBell Posted: November 9, 2007, 12:22 am

Maybe this is a side idea. But how about a website that would emulate different phones. You could see how your website would look on a nokia, or a Razr or an Iphone.

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: November 9, 2007, 1:37 am

Very possible, I know for web testing I have seen a few sites that render all the versions of fire fox, ie and the like for desktop.

It would be nice to have an online version emulation for phones.

PhilipH
PhilipH Posted: November 10, 2007, 1:37 pm

Why not?

arthaus
arthaus Posted: November 10, 2007, 11:12 pm

I love your logo. Also, I do understand the problems in coding for a mobile service... you have to pay each time you visit to check what you've done! But seriously, if you don't know code why are you making something for phones? :S

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: November 11, 2007, 1:55 am

You are not coding on the mobile phone you are coding for it.

I know how to write code but most people do not. This tool is for people that don't know a lick about code. The majority of the internet is made by people that don't know code. Because people that know code have made programs that will do the hard work for you.

People like having a part of the internet and having there own website or web page.

thecougar
thecougar Posted: November 11, 2007, 8:41 pm

Have you tried the mobile development features on Visual Studio? They already have a pretty nice WYSIWYG editor for smartphones. As for creating something for people that don't know how to code, I haven't see any stats around "the majority of the internet is made by people that don't know code". Not sure I'd agree with that, except if you add in things like Facebook, Wordpress, MySpace, etc.. And most of those platforms already have mobile versions (for example, I check my Facebook account all the time on my phone, the interface is great).

I think it's a great idea and there is a ton of opportunity in the mobile development space, I'm just not entirely clear as to what the exact idea is and how it fits in between code-heavy tools like VS and web platforms that already have mobile components "out of the box" like Facebook etc..

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: November 12, 2007, 7:23 pm

I have a copy of Visual Studio but that is more for professional developers that know how to code. Even though it has a visual aspect there is a lot of raw code. Average people will not have a clue that there is even a program called Visual Studio.

"the majority of the internet is made by people that don't know code" Let me put it this way the internet backbone is people that know code. The flesh is the people that don't. The majority of websites are entirely based around code management systems.

The difference is you are not limited to just face book. It is just like the internet now, I am not limited to just using Face Book.

GordonMcDowell
GordonMcDowell Posted: November 14, 2007, 1:03 pm

LarsBell: I thought of that too. Brilliant! (See how I kinda complement myself there?)

Kevin_Cox: Could you share a URL to FireFox, IE... multiple browser render previews? I'd like to see how they operate.

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: November 18, 2007, 1:51 am

I had a very good free site in my bookmarks. But, hover dam Mozilla decided to be evil and remove them all after one of the updates. All of my bookmarks were deleted!

This other site can do it with static images. Takes forever.
http://www.BrowserShots.org

If I find a way to recover my bookmarks I will send you the link. It was a really cool site. I think it used some kind of remote desktop view.

Also, I know Mozilla has a mod to switch between IE and Fire Fox.

GordonMcDowell
GordonMcDowell Posted: November 27, 2007, 10:24 am

Kevin, I just wanted to point out some "Mobile Editor" I stumbled upon...
http://www.softplatz...M-Mobile-Editor.html

...you might want to check that out. All i know is what's there on that page.

tlyden
tlyden Posted: December 31, 2007, 10:42 pm

lordy, who wants to try and edit WYSIWYG on a screen that small?

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: January 1, 2008, 2:02 am

You know it would help to read the actual idea before you jump to posting.

 

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