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Sometimes a chat gets really annoying when, after a few minutes of good conversation, people start showing up just to insult or make nonsense comments.

I think it should be a chat that is more organized.

It would be like a two window chat room where:
- the first window will act as expected, with everybody posting whatever they want.
- the second window will be an organized system determined by taking turns. So every person on the room will have their 30 sec. turn (or x sec.) and limited amount of text space to say something.

People who want to annoy will most likely go to the first window. As others in the other window chat through the queued system, the annoying person will most likely get bored, because they are not getting the attention they seek.

And this is the way to make business:

Now that we have good content (within a discussion) filtered on the main window, it will be easier to display ad campaigns based on that content.

And that's not all. That "filtered content" could be used for a web site, blog ...

I think chatting is still big.

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Comments Posted

Magickaito
Magickaito Posted: December 15, 2007, 3:05 pm

Did you mean, when people only get limited chance to "chat", then they will only talk meaningful things?

Why cant they talk crap in the second window when they got their turn?

ooper
ooper Posted: December 15, 2007, 3:30 pm

Hi Magicaito,

I think what gerjimi is conveying is that the annoying person will be discouraged to keep up with this chat. It's sort of like putting extra padlocks on your door. The determined thief can still get in, but his opportunity cost is greater than if he just went somewhere else...

gerjimi, I like how you can capture free content. It could generate a good flow of ad revenue, because the content is constantly refreshed, and it is varied. You might consider pushing a subject on the chat, because you can maximize the ad revenue potential --for instance, I understand law ads pay more when they are clicked.

gerjimi
gerjimi Posted: December 15, 2007, 3:49 pm

I rewrote it to make it more understandable.

vanhees
vanhees Posted: December 17, 2007, 4:37 am

I think the idea of putting extra padlocks on your door is not bad
Cheers
Tommy

JelmerBV
JelmerBV Posted: December 17, 2007, 7:50 am

"... people start showing up just to insult or make nonsense comments"

Using Windows Messanger a.k.a. MSN a.k.a. Windows Live Messenger will solve this problem. Just get the hotmail/live/.NET adresses of everyone you want to chat with and start the conversation.

In othger words: I'm not convinced (yet).

micco
micco Posted: December 17, 2007, 8:24 am

I think a time-limited round-robin chat window would be very constraining. I don't think I've ever been in a chat with a large number of people where every person had an equal contribution, which means you waste a lot of time giving a slot to a person with nothing to day and you drag out the chat because the people who do have something to say have to wait.

An easy way to spawn thread windows might improve chat function. Many times I'm chatting with just one other person but we're interleaving discussion of several different topics. I've never used a client that allowed you to separate these and have several windows for one group (though I've never really looked for that feature so it may already exist). But that doesn't address your main concern here because the trolls could just pollute each window. Maybe you just need a better way to killfile users you don't want to see.

gerjimi
gerjimi Posted: December 17, 2007, 11:31 pm

Don't forget the the first window works the same way than before (there will be bots controlling it as well). So you don't have to receive equal contribution (there will be always people just watching).

So here is the deal:

- You talk on the first window while waiting for your turn. You will get some ideas of what to put on the second window from feedbacks on the first window.

- Your turn comes, you put your opinion (well elaborated because the feedbacks), and back to first step.

It's like putting a funnel from the first window to the second to get filtered great content.

And about JelmerBV, I'll say that sometimes people want to talk with users they don't know. Thats why I think a chat room is a great tool for communication.

jobby
jobby Posted: December 18, 2007, 1:38 pm

Chat is dead isn't it. I thought it was only used by wierdo's, teenagers and pervs?

Summertime
Summertime Posted: December 19, 2007, 1:41 pm

Skypecast moderators can silence disruptive participant's.

gerjimi
gerjimi Posted: December 19, 2007, 10:37 pm

It will have moderators (this chat will have it too) but still people log back in with different user.

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: December 19, 2007, 11:26 pm

Hence the reason FORUMS were made and also private chat.
http://www.invisionp...ity/board/index.html

It has been done.

JelmerBV
JelmerBV Posted: December 20, 2007, 9:49 am

"And about JelmerBV, I'll say that sometimes people want to talk with users they don't know. Thats why I think a chat room is a great tool for communication."

Most of the time you want to talk with people with the interests or ideas as you have, not with random people (well; I don't like to do that, but that's just me...). And you can find those people with the same interests on many websites; for example, you like art make an account on for example http://www.DeviantArt.com , make friends and get their mail addresses.

But, yes, you've convinced me a little bit more then previous time now.

PhilipH
PhilipH Posted: December 20, 2007, 11:07 am

I think there's only one way to find out if something like this works: build it and see! I can't imagine a rough mock-up taking TOO long to make for anyone with sufficient expertise to produce the final thing.

PhilipH
PhilipH Posted: December 20, 2007, 11:12 am

One possible refinement though - have chatters signal that they WANT a turn rather than give everybody their time. That way you'll avoid dead time when people are away from the computer or just don't have anything interesting to say.

gerjimi
gerjimi Posted: December 20, 2007, 1:51 pm

Thanks Philip, that's a good idea. I think it will be fixed by blocking turns if you don't stay active when your turn comes (if you don't start typing within 5 sec. then the turn will go to the next person).

davidwei
davidwei Posted: December 21, 2007, 7:26 am

I think the constraints will annoy legitimate users. They are more likely to make a members only chart system or require registration.

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: December 22, 2007, 6:44 pm

FORUMS and PRIVATE CHAT! BEEN DONE.

gerjimi
gerjimi Posted: December 23, 2007, 4:06 pm

this is different. I Explained it in comments before. Please read and understand.

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: December 24, 2007, 5:50 pm

Aside from simply making the thing only turn based and making an obscure overly complex process. This idea is not different.

PeeJayEl
PeeJayEl Posted: December 28, 2007, 9:43 am

How about have a system of voting out the "offensive" chatters? Chat windows don't typically follow parliamentary procedure, nor do the users. If a person gets kicked out for being a disruptive chatter, they may try and get back in under a different ID. They will get bored pretty quickly if they keep getting turfed out.

tlyden
tlyden Posted: December 28, 2007, 12:09 pm

silly and unneeded

Kevin_Cox
Kevin_Cox Posted: January 1, 2008, 12:46 am

"How about have a system of voting out the "offensive" chatters?"
Been done it is called kicking. Some chats have a voting system that works that way.

 

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