Perpetual motion... yum.

An electrical generator is a load on whatever is driving it, so if you're turning both a wheel and a generator, your motor will have to work harder than if it's turning just the wheel. In addition, you have friction and other losses so you can't even transfer from motor to generator without loss.

The ring with the weighted triangle won't rotate very long because for every bit of energy produced by the high weight falling, you're putting potential energy into the weights on the other side that are moving up.

There is no free lunch.

Sorry, I forgot about friction (How did I manage to forget about that?), and the transfer of energy. How about wheels that are a generator, such as when they spin as you drive they recharge a central battery being used in conjunction with hydrogen fuel cells used to produce electricity for the motors. Such as the hydrogen powers the car and then the residue is captured, then in conjunction with moisture pulled from the air separated through electrolysis. The wheel based generator would only be used to charge the cells while the car is moving. How about also equipping the car with solar absorbent paint so that it works as a solar cell. That would at least reduce the amount of hydrogen fuel you would need on a day to day basis. Next time I won't just post every idea I think of in a brainstorm.

The problem really is that it would take more energy just to turn the generators and recharge the battery then it would to just drive. Essentially you will be losing energy.

That's true, but I was trying to create a system that reduced costs not eliminated them, I just conveyed the idea incorrectly. I am going to be removing the gravity generator part and replacing it with what I said in the comment about the hydrogen.

I forgot about friction lol!

If you didnt have friction cars would be useless :D

lookup 'regenerative braking' - use the driving motor to slow you down, and generate power as you do it.
http://en.wikipedia....Regenerative_braking

If you cover the car in solar panels you can get a bunch of recharging happening, but you still have the weight of storage, to hold that energy.
check out solar powered cars here: http://www.wsc.org.au/2007/

I don't think we can design and build electric cars here, but I like the idea.

i believe this can be done even without hydrogen fuel cell
using for rims wheels and the car fenders to build generators you should
be able to take any car remove engine relace with electric motor
with rim wheels and fenders designed as generators and battery power to get you started

"was trying to create a system that reduced costs not eliminated them"

create this first then redesign your blue print for your e-car and other possible application..start on a bike...

go figure=)

that would be costly, solar in not cheap (yet), fuelcell not cheap, electric moters are not bad. but still you are looking at a $500,000 car easy

Did you know that all the cars have a generator system? Coil and
Dynam as we call it, with recharges the battery when the car is moving, and generates power needed for lights etc. But that's to few to help drive the car.

Um, this regenerative braking idea was used in electric cars over 100 years ago (google Baker electric car). Hydrogen is a nice thought by there is no infrastructure. Hydrolizing water is nice, but where does the electricity for that come from? As for solar paint, there is no such thing. There are flexible solar cells, but you won't be close to a kilowatt per sq. meter. (about 1.4 hp) Anything else you mentioned is getting into the realm of perpetual motion machines, which do not work, at least in this universe.

I like the way that you take an idea and create solutions to counter energy loss. In the end you loose energy and need to find a way to replace it. Solar paint sounds cool, that in itself would be a great innovation.

how about adding 8 generators 2 to each wheel dc-10 airplane
plus flexable sloar panals.one time the regulatior broke on the alternerator on my 85 transam i had to run every thing in my car
to avoid buring up the car battery it stayed peged with everything in the
car runing headlights dome light radio tape deck amlifier 10 disce cd changer plus i charged my cell phone. The battery got very hot so i think that a self powered car idea would work in fact you might have to worry
about buring up the batteries if you were not careful you would have
extra power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what do you think?

what if they had 15 min rechargeable ni-mh car batteies these would
work they recharge in 15 when dead these batteries would kick butt!!!
plus u could turn off your car and cost in hills to charge?
plus when u parked car at mall when shopping and picking up teen hotties it would charge and teen hotties would think u were cool and u would get laid a lot.plus u could drive around looking for babe and not have to worry about gas prices like dum bling bling suv drivers.
that would be rad. what would marty mcfly and doc brown do?
tesla built a self powered electric car look it up!!!!!!!

cambrian house is rad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I plan on buliding a self powered electric car in the next 3 years

any ideas?

Fear not for a way to replace lost energy, it's real and already exists. Soon, the public will have access to it, then no holds barred. I saw a working model my brother build, a motor that not only was self sustaining, but after it reached a critical threshold of rmps, you could draw energy off of it in the form of torque, which could be used to power an electric generator. Now, if this sounds too good to be true, remember we use free energy all the time, hydroelectric plants, nuclear power plants, converting sunlight to electricity.... this just taps into a source that is yet unknown. But not knowing what the source was never stopped people from using gravity to power water wheels for centuries before Newton talked about it.

I know, most physicists will argue that I'm talking perpetual motion, therefore impossible. But that was the catch 22 of the whole process, if one knew enough about physics, he would understand why it's impossible, therefore not try it because he knew already it wouldn't work. But me, I saw it. So just hold onto your pants, it's coming.

I should proofread before I hit 'enter'. That's supposed to be rpm's, not rmps. Oh well, my bad!

OK, I realize, from everything I've read, a motor can't turn a generator that can charge batteries enough to power the motor indefinatly.

But for the sake of saving enviroment/fossil fuel/money can a gas/diesel generator be added to the system? Will such a generator have to be so big it would still use the same amount of fuel to produce enough electricity with the mechanical driven generator(s) to have a fuel efficient vehicle that isn't dependant on recharging on the grid system.

I'm not talking about a "Hybrid" that's propelled by the gas engine also, but one which uses a home emergency size generator to make up for the energy lost mechanically. These generators run several hours on a gallon of gas/diesel. I found online a 2000w portable gen is advertised to run 8hrs at full rated power (1600w) on 2 gallons of gas for $400. That sounds much cheaper than solar panels. You could travel a long way in 8hrs. BUT, what size/output generator is needed to make this system work?

I'm just curious,
Les

I've been looking into doing just that. it's called a "series hybrid" basicaly what I've heard so far is that for every HP your electric motor has, you need 1kw, which is 1000 watts! so to power a 30 HP electric motor you'll need a 30kw genoratore! that's 30,000 watts! so I kinda hit a brick wall with that idea... I'm sure it can be done.. but how much Gas or diesel would a genoratore that size burn up? probably more than you already burn now... so idk

TWO SEPARATE ENERGY SOURCES/STORES PER CAR ONE AT A TIME CHARGING, ONE AT A TMIE DRIVING - ONE MOTOR.

Okay - hybrids run on batteries and combustables - alternating. Batteries for slow - combustables for fast. Batteries charged while braking/slowing down. Now I understand that there's no perpetual motin out there - there's no physical way to consume and create energy as a self sustaining perpetual entity - so.... Alternate. Instead of battery and combustable and recharging battery during braking - ALTERNATE battery cells - battery 1 is driving the motor - when braking battery 2 is charging. Batteries alternate when they get to certain charge levels - perpetually charging separately - perpetually driving the motor separately. Therfore you have wheels charging one battery - creating energy for dribing later - while the other battery driving the motor - alternating back and forth no different than two gas tanks but instead of fulling up one tak and then filling up the other alternately and having teh ability to switch between them while driving - you'r chrging up and storing energy in one while the other drives.

Just saying...

It works on paper. You must overcome the amps drawn by 6%. The Warp 9 motor draws 315 amps at start, overcome that, and it will run forever. Remember when people laughed at the Wright brothers? Now who's laughing?