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Well I was only planing on using iframes for the preview area for the mobile phone. So, users could view the page like it would if it was in a small format screen of the phone model or standard size.
CSS is the best choice for the rest of the pages.
Well web2.0 style, except not toy like. Preferably not reliant on text, more like an image icon.
* Glossy reflections/Glass reflections
* Thin dark outline
* Thin highlighted second inner outline
* Lit from above with the light source slightly to the left
* Scalable (Needs to be recognizable when small)
Desperately looking for a name not taken by domain sharks. I have been going though all of the 3 and 4 char word names I can think. I am thinking we will have to make up our own word or mix of words to get a good domain.
Thinking of the best UI implementations. I think it would be nice to have some kind of drag and drop system. Perhaps similar to igoogle and FaceBook. Where you can just move modules around. Then have options to edit each module. Anyone have experience with using modules like this?
Need work done on code RSS feed for mobile. (Where users could add a rss feed.)
Playing around with the nice mobile emulator (Link found above in my other post.) Working on finding a nice skin and maybe molding it to size differently depending on the platform users have.
Need work done on site theme mock-up. I will have to start playing around the the color palate and image samples.
Need work on writing a nice copy thats SEO friendly.
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Open call, if your someone that wants to join the team speak up. (Read the first post if you would like more info)
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micco
    Member since: Mar 28, 2007 Rank: Warrior (233 Posts) |
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I'm sorry I don't have time to contribute right now. Just a thought, have you looked at TinyMCE? It's an open-source web-based WYSIWYG editor. You might be able to extend it to do the mobile validation rather than starting from scratch.
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
I've used TinyMCE on a couple of web-based projects and liked it's functionality. I've never dug into the inner workings because it did what I needed but it's a Javascript AJAX framework so it should be easy to extend.
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
I've used TinyMCE on a couple of web-based projects and liked it's functionality. I've never dug into the inner workings because it did what I needed but it's a Javascript AJAX framework so it should be easy to extend.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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"I'm sorry I don't have time to contribute right now. "
You don't have to do it right now. I am only asking for an hour of time contributed someday in a week.
Thanks, for the link never seen it before. Even, though that is was not exactly what this idea is aiming to do. It seems like a nice tool to extend to use with this idea.
It might be easier for me to show after I make a few prototypes. Anyways, back on topic anyone want to actually help make this idea work.
You don't have to do it right now. I am only asking for an hour of time contributed someday in a week.
Thanks, for the link never seen it before. Even, though that is was not exactly what this idea is aiming to do. It seems like a nice tool to extend to use with this idea.
It might be easier for me to show after I make a few prototypes. Anyways, back on topic anyone want to actually help make this idea work.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Well, anyone out there?
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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I'd love to help but this is not my field
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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I can try to help you with the web programming, but I only can do 'Old Skool' (X)HTML and CSS (and a little bit Flash [with some actionscript]), no PHP/MySql or any other kind of databases [a.k.a. Web 2.0 stuff].
I don't know what the "Anything else to help." tasks are, but if you need me, I'm pretty sure I've one free hour every week. =)
I don't know what the "Anything else to help." tasks are, but if you need me, I'm pretty sure I've one free hour every week. =)
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Good enough... Are you any good with using things like iframes?
I will post some stuff about my progress in a bit. I have done some work on the idea already as promised and have a got a simple little prototype working.
In addition I made a white board mockup to show how I was thinking the site should work and look. My next step is to part off the jobs into smaller projects and work loads.
I will post some stuff soon. Anyways, if anyone else is interested in helping out I would like to hear from you.
I will post some stuff about my progress in a bit. I have done some work on the idea already as promised and have a got a simple little prototype working.
In addition I made a white board mockup to show how I was thinking the site should work and look. My next step is to part off the jobs into smaller projects and work loads.
I will post some stuff soon. Anyways, if anyone else is interested in helping out I would like to hear from you.
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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I'vedid much with normal frame-tag, I just read a tutorial about iframs and it looks like it's almost the same as normal frames so I'm sure I can work with it. (All the new pages I make are without frames, that's why I never have used iframes yet)
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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Just found out:
frame = iframe [at least; for the purpose I use them for]
[They just like to use shiny names apparently... Well; they are not completely the same, but more like Frame 2.0]
So, yes, I certainly can work with iframes.
frame = iframe [at least; for the purpose I use them for]
[They just like to use shiny names apparently... Well; they are not completely the same, but more like Frame 2.0]
So, yes, I certainly can work with iframes.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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White Board Images:
http://usera.imageca.../WhiteBoard-Mobile1/
I still need to set up the host server for my prototype. So, I will post that later.
So, still looking for users to join. If you are interested tell me about it.
http://usera.imageca.../WhiteBoard-Mobile1/
I still need to set up the host server for my prototype. So, I will post that later.
So, still looking for users to join. If you are interested tell me about it.
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daraddishman
Member since: Apr 8, 2008 Rank: Warrior (123 Posts) |
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I'll build you a logo.
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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I've made a small test page to put the test site I've made on. (I just started with it; I hope you're Ok with it.)
http://jelmerbv.50webs.com/chtest/
Currently it only contains a temporarly test page which I made to test iframes, but when I've finished a better testpage I'll upload it here.
The iframe on the right (with the border) is supposed to become the advertisement frame. [If you click on the CH logo this forum thread will be loaded in the frame]
The iframe on the left (without border) will contain the actual site.
I'll add a (sort of) background later.
You can ignore the two 'j's on top (I was trying to do the same page without iframes, but iframes are working better)
Edit: [4-9-2008 17:05 (GMT+1)]
I've updated the testpage again, does it look a little bit like you want it to? (except for the background which still looks like...)
This testpage is just still some sort of sketch, so I can easily change something when you want me to.
I think I'm going to have trouble with the virtual keypad (especially because I don't know anything about surfing on a mobile phone [I can only call with my phone].)
So any information you've about how you want it to be/should be is welcome
http://jelmerbv.50webs.com/chtest/
Currently it only contains a temporarly test page which I made to test iframes, but when I've finished a better testpage I'll upload it here.
The iframe on the right (with the border) is supposed to become the advertisement frame. [If you click on the CH logo this forum thread will be loaded in the frame]
The iframe on the left (without border) will contain the actual site.
I'll add a (sort of) background later.
You can ignore the two 'j's on top (I was trying to do the same page without iframes, but iframes are working better)
Edit: [4-9-2008 17:05 (GMT+1)]
I've updated the testpage again, does it look a little bit like you want it to? (except for the background which still looks like...)
This testpage is just still some sort of sketch, so I can easily change something when you want me to.
I think I'm going to have trouble with the virtual keypad (especially because I don't know anything about surfing on a mobile phone [I can only call with my phone].)
So any information you've about how you want it to be/should be is welcome
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daraddishman
Member since: Apr 8, 2008 Rank: Warrior (123 Posts) |
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There any particular reason for using iFrames? Normally I avoid them like the black plague.
Me == CSS/Div Nazi
So, about that logo... what sort of vibe/feel/whatever are you looking for here? Techchic? Slick? Web2.0?
Me == CSS/Div Nazi
So, about that logo... what sort of vibe/feel/whatever are you looking for here? Techchic? Slick? Web2.0?
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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No, not really.
But I'm not really a div-fan [I only use them because of XHTML 1.0] but neither am I a fan of iframes, so I just choose iframes in this case because it would look the most like the white board (in my eyes) and it'seasier/faster to just reload the main iframe instead of the complete page.
But if you think it should be different, feel free to download all the files of the testpage and change them. This page was only a sort of skecth.
But I'm not really a div-fan [I only use them because of XHTML 1.0] but neither am I a fan of iframes, so I just choose iframes in this case because it would look the most like the white board (in my eyes) and it's
But if you think it should be different, feel free to download all the files of the testpage and change them. This page was only a sort of skecth.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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There any particular reason for using iFrames? Normally I avoid them like the black plague.
Well I was only planing on using iframes for the preview area for the mobile phone. So, users could view the page like it would if it was in a small format screen of the phone model or standard size.
CSS is the best choice for the rest of the pages.
So, about that logo... what sort of vibe/feel/whatever are you looking for here? Techchic? Slick? Web2.0?
Well web2.0 style, except not toy like. Preferably not reliant on text, more like an image icon.
* Glossy reflections/Glass reflections
* Thin dark outline
* Thin highlighted second inner outline
* Lit from above with the light source slightly to the left
* Scalable (Needs to be recognizable when small)
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daraddishman
Member since: Apr 8, 2008 Rank: Warrior (123 Posts) |
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groovy, I'll start mucking around with images and iconography. I sent you a message with some name suggestions as well.
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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For the website, what colors do you want?
(I'll try to turn the iframes into divs if this 'lay-out' (the colors and fonts will also be changed to your preferences off course) is ok, but it can take some time before I've completely figured out how to do it)
(I'll try to turn the iframes into divs if this 'lay-out' (the colors and fonts will also be changed to your preferences off course) is ok, but it can take some time before I've completely figured out how to do it)
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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I have thought about it, and it would make a lot of sense for us to use a CMS. Mostly because there could be less new coding we would have to do and it would make it easier to manage.
I am thinking:
http://www.drupal.org
As far as color scheme I will have to get back to you on that. I will have to make a few color palates.
Colors that I am thinking about using:
Dark:
Background colors: Chocolate, rich darks and shades of black.
Fonts colors: golden, white, pink, blue, red, orange, silver.
Light:
Background colors: slightly off-white, green, blue, gray, orange
Fonts: pastels
Design elements make use of highlight feature of font.
I am thinking:
http://www.drupal.org
As far as color scheme I will have to get back to you on that. I will have to make a few color palates.
Colors that I am thinking about using:
Dark:
Background colors: Chocolate, rich darks and shades of black.
Fonts colors: golden, white, pink, blue, red, orange, silver.
Light:
Background colors: slightly off-white, green, blue, gray, orange
Fonts: pastels
Design elements make use of highlight feature of font.
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daraddishman
Member since: Apr 8, 2008 Rank: Warrior (123 Posts) |
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I suggest Joomla over Drupal, just a personal choice.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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I have used them both. So, here is the reasons behind my decision.
Drupal:
* Way better SEO for search sites. (Higher page rank)
* Simple interface, don't have to mess with that much. Its easier to configure.
Joomla:
* More dramatic content and Advanced features.
* More support with professional online community.
The site is going to be simple, so the smaller footprint of Drupal is a plus. So, unless there is another better reason behind using Joomla. That or if any of any of you guys is uber pro at using a particular CMS. I think it is currently the best choice for this site.
Drupal:
* Way better SEO for search sites. (Higher page rank)
* Simple interface, don't have to mess with that much. Its easier to configure.
Joomla:
* More dramatic content and Advanced features.
* More support with professional online community.
The site is going to be simple, so the smaller footprint of Drupal is a plus. So, unless there is another better reason behind using Joomla. That or if any of any of you guys is uber pro at using a particular CMS. I think it is currently the best choice for this site.
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daraddishman
Member since: Apr 8, 2008 Rank: Warrior (123 Posts) |
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I once swore I wouldn't do another Drupal site, but I keep working with Drupal sites anyhow.
Drupal's cool, but I find it's backend tends to be pretty heavy compared to Joomla. Probably not a big issue until the site is getting hit with 10,000 page views a day. Then you need to look at colo in a serious way, just to get the hardware up there. Being a designer/themer I also find Drupal's markup exceptionally clunky and difficult to theme. Contemplates help, but still... just my 2 cents on Drupal. I will avoid the full rant.
I have less time in Joomla, but I would bet they have a similar issue.
Drupal's cool, but I find it's backend tends to be pretty heavy compared to Joomla. Probably not a big issue until the site is getting hit with 10,000 page views a day. Then you need to look at colo in a serious way, just to get the hardware up there. Being a designer/themer I also find Drupal's markup exceptionally clunky and difficult to theme. Contemplates help, but still... just my 2 cents on Drupal. I will avoid the full rant.
I have less time in Joomla, but I would bet they have a similar issue.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Anything to say on the topic JelmerBV? What do you feel best with using Joomla or Durpal?
I don't mind if we use Joomla or Durpal its just we have to pick one an stay with it.
I don't mind if we use Joomla or Durpal its just we have to pick one an stay with it.
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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I never have used one of them so far. (Because my webhost doesn't support things like that [I don't have a professional site, so I've chosen for a free hoster] and I like it to make the complete site myself)
According to the site they are both easy to use and learn, so I don't have a preference.
P.S. The test page is using DIVs now; I'll now trying to make a demo for the digital phone. (Will also try to make one of your color scheme ideas to see how it will look)
According to the site they are both easy to use and learn, so I don't have a preference.
P.S. The test page is using DIVs now; I'll now trying to make a demo for the digital phone. (Will also try to make one of your color scheme ideas to see how it will look)
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Simple little Prototype:
http://mobile.pod.0lx.net/
This kind of shows how the site will work a bit. But, note I have much better GUI and tool functions I am planning out.
Name for the site: if anyone has name suggestions for the URL pm me with them. (Note: Please, do not post them in the open!)
Want to join: Anyone, else want to join the group and help out with stuff?
http://mobile.pod.0lx.net/
This kind of shows how the site will work a bit. But, note I have much better GUI and tool functions I am planning out.
Name for the site: if anyone has name suggestions for the URL pm me with them. (Note: Please, do not post them in the open!)
Want to join: Anyone, else want to join the group and help out with stuff?
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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Yes, that's much better/faster to create a good looking site.
Anyway; I've been thinking about the virtual phone (didn't changed anything yet to the [very small] prototype, currently only button "1" does something [which don't work in IE...]) but I think it would be better to emulate the phone with Flash or Java (I would prefer Flash), that will give a much more realistic model and will probably also will work better and faster (and it will look the same in all browsers.)
However, I think that will leave me not much to do to be honest. It doesn't make much sense if I continue with that test page if you're going to use CMS. (I don't know how much HTML you need to type by yourself, but I guess it's just a little bit or even less.) So if you've something else for me which should be done... [I'll continue with trying to make the virtual phone, but I'm afraid I will not get it working very well with iframes (and I don't have enough knowledge to try it with Flash, but I'll check if it's possible with some JavaScript before completely quitting the iframes 'experiment' )]
Anyway; I've been thinking about the virtual phone (didn't changed anything yet to the [very small] prototype, currently only button "1" does something [which don't work in IE...]) but I think it would be better to emulate the phone with Flash or Java (I would prefer Flash), that will give a much more realistic model and will probably also will work better and faster (and it will look the same in all browsers.)
However, I think that will leave me not much to do to be honest. It doesn't make much sense if I continue with that test page if you're going to use CMS. (I don't know how much HTML you need to type by yourself, but I guess it's just a little bit or even less.) So if you've something else for me which should be done... [I'll continue with trying to make the virtual phone, but I'm afraid I will not get it working very well with iframes (and I don't have enough knowledge to try it with Flash, but I'll check if it's possible with some JavaScript before completely quitting the iframes 'experiment' )]
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Ya, I was just thinking iframes for a only a quick preview of the size dimensions. Not actual emulating, Java would be best to do that. There is a library and some tools all ready for phone emulation in Java. For example: http://www.microemu.org/
So, a nice skin over top with maybe some classes that mimic the specific behaviors for some of the specific device controls. Seems like a good plan.
So, a nice skin over top with maybe some classes that mimic the specific behaviors for some of the specific device controls. Seems like a good plan.
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daraddishman
Member since: Apr 8, 2008 Rank: Warrior (123 Posts) |
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Hey Kevin, have we picked a name for the product/service yet?
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Desperately looking for a name not taken by domain sharks. I have been going though all of the 3 and 4 char word names I can think. I am thinking we will have to make up our own word or mix of words to get a good domain. Thinking of the best UI implementations. I think it would be nice to have some kind of drag and drop system. Perhaps similar to igoogle and FaceBook. Where you can just move modules around. Then have options to edit each module. Anyone have experience with using modules like this? Need work done on code RSS feed for mobile. (Where users could add a rss feed.) Playing around with the nice mobile emulator (Link found above in my other post.) Working on finding a nice skin and maybe molding it to size differently depending on the platform users have. Need work done on site theme mock-up. I will have to start playing around the the color palate and image samples. Need work on writing a nice copy thats SEO friendly. ---------
Open call, if your someone that wants to join the team speak up. (Read the first post if you would like more info)
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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Theoretically it's possible to make the virtual phone with just iframes and JavaScript.
I've been trying some things, didn't get it to work correctly yet, but I believe all the code that you should need to get it working is out here on the internet... somewhere... (To find it and to get it working is another problem)
However, I think the Java emulation is much better and faster
That MicroEmulator looks really nice.
I've been trying some things, didn't get it to work correctly yet, but I believe all the code that you should need to get it working is out here on the internet... somewhere... (To find it and to get it working is another problem)
However, I think the Java emulation is much better and faster
That MicroEmulator looks really nice.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Work smarter not harder.
I agree, although I am curious to see ways it could be done with only iframes and javascript. Because I know keyboard emulation is possible but I am not sure if is treated the same as an actual key press event with iframes. It appears to have everything needed to be used for emulation for this project.
Checked my messages today, we convinced another user to join. I wonder who will be next?
I agree, although I am curious to see ways it could be done with only iframes and javascript. Because I know keyboard emulation is possible but I am not sure if is treated the same as an actual key press event with iframes. It appears to have everything needed to be used for emulation for this project.
Checked my messages today, we convinced another user to join. I wonder who will be next?
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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It will be difficult to emulate a phone 'keyboard' because if someone press '2' three time you should get a c instead of an a... I don't know yet how I should solve this problem. [Well; just use the Java emulation 
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And yes, using iframes to make the virtual phone will give an other result/look then using a Java emulation.
Anyway; I got the scrolling function working (althought it will only works on pages stored on the same server as the site; else you will not have permission to change something about the page (even if you only want to scrol...))
Use 4 and 7 to scroll up and down, use 1 to load another test page: http://jelmerbv.50webs.com/chtest/demo.html
The page should work in most browsers (tested with Opera, IE7, Firefox and Safari for Windows)
] And yes, using iframes to make the virtual phone will give an other result/look then using a Java emulation.
Anyway; I got the scrolling function working (althought it will only works on pages stored on the same server as the site; else you will not have permission to change something about the page (even if you only want to scrol...))
Use 4 and 7 to scroll up and down, use 1 to load another test page: http://jelmerbv.50webs.com/chtest/demo.html
The page should work in most browsers (tested with Opera, IE7, Firefox and Safari for Windows)
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Humm, well from a technical stand point there would never be a need to emulate that part. Since, the key press events would only be used to test navigation of the phone.
But, to solve the problem I believe what is needed is a way to check to see if a text area is selected. Then a way to hold-off char insert until the user hits enter/space.
Except, really that type of function would probably never be needed for testing. Since the main objective is testing page navigation. Up, down, left, right, back, and access keys 0-9 are all you would need for a good emulation to check navigation of a page.
But, to solve the problem I believe what is needed is a way to check to see if a text area is selected. Then a way to hold-off char insert until the user hits enter/space.
Except, really that type of function would probably never be needed for testing. Since the main objective is testing page navigation. Up, down, left, right, back, and access keys 0-9 are all you would need for a good emulation to check navigation of a page.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Web site names? Think up any good short website names? PM me today.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Seriously, names? This thing could really use a good name.
Next, on the agenda communication. Whats the best way we can communicate about this project?
Next, on the agenda communication. Whats the best way we can communicate about this project?
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interviewables
Member since: Mar 5, 2008 Rank: Noble (59 Posts) |
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Basecamp for communication.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Basecamp has more eye candy but not enough functionality. The project management tools for file sharing are a bit lack luster. Plus, there are costs involved with it that I think could be spent better on other things. I will consider it as an option. Are there any good alternatives?
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interviewables
Member since: Mar 5, 2008 Rank: Noble (59 Posts) |
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We just went with wush.net for Berryit. SVN, trac, etc. Everything we will need for $15 a month. Check it out.
http://www.cambrianh...er/ideas-id/ztlxeBg/
Now I need some help to build it.
All I ask is that you put in an hour of quality work every week. I am going to work on this idea for a few hours every week myself as well. I don't think I am asking for that much there are 168 hours in a week and you only would have to work for one of them.
All profits from the idea will be split equally, based on how much you worked or invested. All, money invested in this idea will be used towards this idea, the users investing will be told exactly how there money is spent. Post what you can work on today.
Posted: March 28, 2008, 9:17 am