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You hit it right Josielyn.
Jewelries are one of the most valuable items men and woman would want to take track its location.
Thanks for the link!
That was really informative.
I am living in an area here in the far east where daily banana cargoes in thousand metric tons is being ship regularly if not daily.I can just imagine the inventory system required for this magnitude. My place is a direct beneficiary of this industry and I think I am tapping a very good market aside from the airline and shipping industry.
Please help me if you know anyone who can give my team an edge to execute this.
-joyce
check my latest IDEA Page:
RAGS a Tracking Solution
The R&D aspect is related to range, as in how close the tag needs to be to the reader. Passive RFID (that is RFID that involves tags that do not require external power and are powered only from the energy emitted by the reader) are only functional within a few meters. And that distance may be even less based on the commentary from DarlingRed (sounds like live stock tracking by way of RFID is part of her work)
Active RFID has increased range. (you don't need to be right next to it to detect the tag) However, the active part means that it is powered by external power source, which adds weight and bulk.
So while I appreciate the vision, I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of where current technology is.
Here is a link from How Stuff Works.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/rfid.htm
Especially relevant is the section about active, semi-passive and passive tags.
So to me, if it can't be accomplished with current technology at a reasonable price, it requires R&D. Top universities and researchers around the world are trying to tackle the problem... however, unless you happen to be one of those researchers or you know one of those researchers, (which if you are that would be good to know) this idea becomes just another game of "what if" with no feasible path to implementation.
Correct indeed CC I work for a national agency that's number one goal is complete RFID in Livestock. Since I do public relations and communications I also do alot of print material explaining how the devices work and what they look like.
Great link! Thanks for this visual now I know why I should vote for this idea.
Only because it's pointless re-butting the same rubbish twice. I would question whether this thread is more interesting. I think fanciful and hallucinatory is more likely.
For some strange reason that diagram of an earpiece tracker looks a lot like the gel suppositories I use for my young son when he's constipated.
Joyce could you perhaps supply us with one? we will buy it.
You can't handle a TeeWrapz!
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RAGS (for valuable Items) is back!
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josielyn
    Member since: Aug 29, 2007 Rank: Merchant (10 Posts) |
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Wow! How I love to see your idea back as it has unique features. 
People are now copying it and come up with almost the same idea. 
Well, RAGS is very useful in terms of costless things like jewelries, cars, pets, motorcycles and a lot more!
I love your idea!
People are now copying it and come up with almost the same idea. Well, RAGS is very useful in terms of costless things like jewelries, cars, pets, motorcycles and a lot more!
I love your idea!
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diMa_doNna
Member since: Jul 14, 2007 Rank: Merchant (25 Posts) |
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Welcome back Joyce!
I was trying to remember the original post and how the crowds reacted on it.
I have to say I like the first
Its because it has more focus and well very much intriguing!
I think you got to refined again say concentrate on one service RAGS could provide. I think its the mails and cargoes other wise you will be a loose canon. Trying to generalized everything when infact it can be served by other available technology such as GPS.
Goodluck.
I was trying to remember the original post and how the crowds reacted on it.
I have to say I like the first
Its because it has more focus and well very much intriguing!
I think you got to refined again say concentrate on one service RAGS could provide. I think its the mails and cargoes other wise you will be a loose canon. Trying to generalized everything when infact it can be served by other available technology such as GPS.
Goodluck.
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diMa_doNna
Member since: Jul 14, 2007 Rank: Merchant (25 Posts) |
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On December 10, 2007, 10:42 am josielyn said:
Wow! How I love to see your idea back as it has unique features.
Well, RAGS is very useful in terms of costless things like jewelries, cars, pets, motorcycles and a lot more!
I love your idea!
You hit it right Josielyn.
Jewelries are one of the most valuable items men and woman would want to take track its location.
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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Well, I do have to give Joyce credit for recruiting people. My only question is can Joyce take these people and put together a product that can sell.
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eKKeNomo
Member since: Jun 17, 2007 Rank: Merchant (32 Posts) |
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You have a point Techguy but thats the $100 cambros quest hundreds of idea submitters trying to pull off...I myself still not sold on how will I spend my time on the weekend for my church & family while being a capitalist slave on weekdays... how much more on my crave to join several offers and really neat idea around here. 
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eKKeNomo
Member since: Jun 17, 2007 Rank: Merchant (32 Posts) |
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Joyce,
As far as my limited knowledge is concern your idea is not far fetched at all.
But(that word again),I believe it will be in due time implementation structures for single and or multiple communications systems will be used as location finder!
This can be done including using single and or multiple location or position finder systems such as Radio Frequency Identification Devices (RFID), medical diagnostics, emergency communication and remote control systems connected with single or multiple Bit Rate Agile (BRA), and single modulation or Modulation Format Selectable (MFS) cellular, other mobile wireless, satellite and/or land based devices for Global Mobile System (OSM), General Packet Radio Service (GPRS), Enhanced Digital GSM Evolution (EDGE), or Evolution of GSM (E-GSM), Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA), Wideband Code Division Multiple Access (WCDMA or W-CDMA), Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiple Access (OFDM), Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA), IEEE 802.xx, Digital European Cordless Telecommunication (DECT), Infrared (IR), Wireless Fidelity (Wi-Fi), Bluetooth, and other standardized as well as non-standardized systems will all be used under one convergent elements to be interconnected and or used in various configurations for particular purpose like this idea above.
As far as my limited knowledge is concern your idea is not far fetched at all.
But(that word again),I believe it will be in due time implementation structures for single and or multiple communications systems will be used as location finder!
This can be done including using single and or multiple location or position finder systems such as Radio Frequency Identification Devices (RFID), medical diagnostics, emergency communication and remote control systems connected with single or multiple Bit Rate Agile (BRA), and single modulation or Modulation Format Selectable (MFS) cellular, other mobile wireless, satellite and/or land based devices for Global Mobile System (OSM), General Packet Radio Service (GPRS), Enhanced Digital GSM Evolution (EDGE), or Evolution of GSM (E-GSM), Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA), Wideband Code Division Multiple Access (WCDMA or W-CDMA), Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiple Access (OFDM), Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA), IEEE 802.xx, Digital European Cordless Telecommunication (DECT), Infrared (IR), Wireless Fidelity (Wi-Fi), Bluetooth, and other standardized as well as non-standardized systems will all be used under one convergent elements to be interconnected and or used in various configurations for particular purpose like this idea above.
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eKKeNomo
Member since: Jun 17, 2007 Rank: Merchant (32 Posts) |
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The limitation of RFID will perhaps be answered by interface units, processors, transmitters and receivers (also designated as transceivers or TR), for example part of a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver or an interface to a GPS receiver or other location finder or tracking device or a sensor, signal detector and processor of acoustic (e.g. voice, sound, music) signals, video and/or visual and/or image signals (moving video, still photographs, X-Ray pictures, telemetry signals), temperature (e.g. human body temperature, animal's body temperature, temperature of an object), electrical signal, Radio Frequency Identification Devices (RFID) received or generated signal, infrared, X-ray and or of other signals, parameters generated by sensors or obtained from any other sources. Nano technology is here already and since this RAGS aim to served various carriers to get located all possibilities are not remote at all.
My bet is , under military application this is already being considered if not on the works.
I agree with Daviddubree's comment.
Personally I would prefer this application be done more in Cargoes and thereby helping the Custom authority on Smuggling problems.
My bet is , under military application this is already being considered if not on the works.
I agree with Daviddubree's comment.
Personally I would prefer this application be done more in Cargoes and thereby helping the Custom authority on Smuggling problems.
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joyce
Member since: May 10, 2007 Rank: Warrior (220 Posts) |
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Noted TG
Thanks Ekkenomo...am constantly reviewing the idea page now refining for the week IW.
Thanks Ekkenomo...am constantly reviewing the idea page now refining for the week IW.
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joyce
Member since: May 10, 2007 Rank: Warrior (220 Posts) |
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Hey..I was thinking to give it a new(IDEA) name:
RAGS 4 TVI!...TVI for Tracking Valuable Items!
Thoughts?
RAGS 4 TVI!...TVI for Tracking Valuable Items!
Thoughts?
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Magickaito
Member since: Nov 13, 2007 Rank: Warrior (130 Posts) |
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Everyone popped up at the same time. 
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abbys_of_thought
Member since: Jun 2, 2007 Rank: Merchant (28 Posts) |
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TVI seems better without the RAGS
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bentobox
Member since: Mar 23, 2007 Rank: Merchant (45 Posts) |
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RFID Helps To Track Cargo Containers
Deep Sea Shipping (third paragraph from the end)
The group I used to work with was planning a prototype for cargo containers but we found out a number of systems were already in the works or in use.
Something like this would be cool for keys, cellphones (although GPS functionality might overlap), TV remotes . . . maybe even CDs and other cataloged items that might be part of a large collection. A library might find something like this useful.
Deep Sea Shipping (third paragraph from the end)
The group I used to work with was planning a prototype for cargo containers but we found out a number of systems were already in the works or in use.
Something like this would be cool for keys, cellphones (although GPS functionality might overlap), TV remotes . . . maybe even CDs and other cataloged items that might be part of a large collection. A library might find something like this useful.
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Favila
Member since: Jul 17, 2007 Rank: Peasant (3 Posts) |
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I read about Verichip:
http://arch.designco...om/post-3250046.html
The debate is serious on privacy issue nevertheless I am quite fascinated of the benefits in the general commercial aspect of a tracking device like this.
http://arch.designco...om/post-3250046.html
The debate is serious on privacy issue nevertheless I am quite fascinated of the benefits in the general commercial aspect of a tracking device like this.
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joyce
Member since: May 10, 2007 Rank: Warrior (220 Posts) |
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On December 13, 2007, 10:46 am bentobox said:
RFID Helps To Track Cargo Containers
Deep Sea Shipping (third paragraph from the end)
The group I used to work with was planning a prototype for cargo containers but we found out a number of systems were already in the works or in use.
Something like this would be cool for keys, cellphones (although GPS functionality might overlap), TV remotes . . . maybe even CDs and other cataloged items that might be part of a large collection. A library might find something like this useful.
Thanks for the link!
That was really informative.
I am living in an area here in the far east where daily banana cargoes in thousand metric tons is being ship regularly if not daily.I can just imagine the inventory system required for this magnitude. My place is a direct beneficiary of this industry and I think I am tapping a very good market aside from the airline and shipping industry.
Please help me if you know anyone who can give my team an edge to execute this.
-joyce
check my latest IDEA Page:
RAGS a Tracking Solution
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sistoza
Member since: Jul 13, 2007 Rank: Peasant (3 Posts) |
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I gave already my comment last night:
Godspeed!
I love how you were able to improved your IDEA into more enticing business product as compared the first time this was around. I wish i have some technical knowhow to give my opinion to improved this.
However I like to seconded and give my .6 cents from davidwei comment, I believe it would be wise to build this for certain industry and let them execute the proper hanlding and usage of this. Some sort of technology transfer say for an airline companies and just cash in from royalties, if you have a legal right and legal disposition you can still sell this later on into general public and probably would click knowing this being done and accepted in major industry like airline or shipping.
Godspeed!
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joyce
Member since: May 10, 2007 Rank: Warrior (220 Posts) |
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To Coozad & others:
Can you help and educate me identifying more the R&D elements need to improves on this idea? I thought several others where saying :
what else be needing if an Airline company put several scanners on their gate stations and aircraft while distributing this rfid to their respective passengers to use during the trip?
I think the wearable smaller earplug is viable to start with and a controlled path for the passenger to periodically get "scanned" even inside the plane. (on their seat, rest room) to register their location and have a real time position tracking viewed in the website by their respective family or the host company.
Looking forward for your future post.
-Joyce
Posted: December 14, 2007, 1:24 pm
Yet another idea with significant R&D requirements.... voting down.
Can you help and educate me identifying more the R&D elements need to improves on this idea? I thought several others where saying :
"Asset tracking via RFID/GPS is being practiced already?"
what else be needing if an Airline company put several scanners on their gate stations and aircraft while distributing this rfid to their respective passengers to use during the trip?
I think the wearable smaller earplug is viable to start with and a controlled path for the passenger to periodically get "scanned" even inside the plane. (on their seat, rest room) to register their location and have a real time position tracking viewed in the website by their respective family or the host company.
Looking forward for your future post.
-Joyce
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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The CCIA in Canada, the NLIS in Australia, the USDA in the USA and many other health and food safety industries throughout the world use non-implanted RFID technology to track full animal movement and prevent infectious disease.
However, since I work for one of these organizations I will point out that the technology is not cheap. The RFID reader I price checked today made by AllFlex was $700 CDN. And still with the $3-$5 tags currently used on animals the antenna is only long enough to be read with the scanner from 1-2 feet away. The smaller the tag, the closer you will have to be to read it. The ones currently in cattle, sheep etc are about an inch in diameter.
However, since I work for one of these organizations I will point out that the technology is not cheap. The RFID reader I price checked today made by AllFlex was $700 CDN. And still with the $3-$5 tags currently used on animals the antenna is only long enough to be read with the scanner from 1-2 feet away. The smaller the tag, the closer you will have to be to read it. The ones currently in cattle, sheep etc are about an inch in diameter.
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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Also in regards to further technology needed, the only thing an RFID reader picks up is the serial number etc that you put within it. In able to make this idea feasible you would also have to create a database that tracked the serials numbers and had assigned person's with contact information attached.
Unfortunately due to privacy of information acts you would not be able to have this freely given to the general public so you would also have to implement some kind of item request system whereby an item that has been found can have its serial number sent in to an authorized personnel who will check and verify the RFID and contact the owner to let them know their luggage etc has been found.
Unfortunately due to privacy of information acts you would not be able to have this freely given to the general public so you would also have to implement some kind of item request system whereby an item that has been found can have its serial number sent in to an authorized personnel who will check and verify the RFID and contact the owner to let them know their luggage etc has been found.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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On December 14, 2007, 2:14 pm joyce said:
To Coozad & others:
Posted: December 14, 2007, 1:24 pm
Yet another idea with significant R&D requirements.... voting down.
Can you help and educate me identifying more the R&D elements need to improves on this idea? I thought several others where saying :
"Asset tracking via RFID/GPS is being practiced already?"
what else be needing if an Airline company put several scanners on their gate stations and aircraft while distributing this rfid to their respective passengers to use during the trip?
I think the wearable smaller earplug is viable to start with and a controlled path for the passenger to periodically get "scanned" even inside the plane. (on their seat, rest room) to register their location and have a real time position tracking viewed in the website by their respective family or the host company.
Looking forward for your future post.
-Joyce
The R&D aspect is related to range, as in how close the tag needs to be to the reader. Passive RFID (that is RFID that involves tags that do not require external power and are powered only from the energy emitted by the reader) are only functional within a few meters. And that distance may be even less based on the commentary from DarlingRed (sounds like live stock tracking by way of RFID is part of her work)
Active RFID has increased range. (you don't need to be right next to it to detect the tag) However, the active part means that it is powered by external power source, which adds weight and bulk.
So while I appreciate the vision, I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of where current technology is.
Here is a link from How Stuff Works.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/rfid.htm
Especially relevant is the section about active, semi-passive and passive tags.
So to me, if it can't be accomplished with current technology at a reasonable price, it requires R&D. Top universities and researchers around the world are trying to tackle the problem... however, unless you happen to be one of those researchers or you know one of those researchers, (which if you are that would be good to know) this idea becomes just another game of "what if" with no feasible path to implementation.
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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On December 14, 2007, 3:12 pm ccozad said:
from DarlingRed (sounds like live stock tracking by way of RFID is part of her work)
Correct indeed CC I work for a national agency that's number one goal is complete RFID in Livestock. Since I do public relations and communications I also do alot of print material explaining how the devices work and what they look like.
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Ma_Superior
Member since: Jul 18, 2007 Rank: Peasant (8 Posts) |
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hmmm... I like the non evasive form if this is an earplug type (bat included) and with bio sensor specifically the host temp.
At least the reader or my family will know if am still "alive" somewhere if an emergency happens. I read something about this already for space and military application but I remember its a pill.
At least the reader or my family will know if am still "alive" somewhere if an emergency happens. I read something about this already for space and military application but I remember its a pill.
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Ma_Superior
Member since: Jul 18, 2007 Rank: Peasant (8 Posts) |
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source: http://www.DigitalAngelCorp.com
This can be done and am supportive for whoever will deliver this into commercial use. FYI
This can be done and am supportive for whoever will deliver this into commercial use. FYI
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Myla_HB
Member since: Jul 13, 2007 Rank: Peasant (3 Posts) |
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On December 16, 2007, 11:23 am Ma_Superior said:
hmmm... I like the non evasive form if this is an earplug type (bat included) and with bio sensor specifically the host temp.
At least the reader or my family will know if am still "alive" somewhere if an emergency happens. I read something about this already for space and military application but I remember its a pill.
Great link! Thanks for this visual now I know why I should vote for this idea.
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eKKeNomo
Member since: Jun 17, 2007 Rank: Merchant (32 Posts) |
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This thread is more subdued and interesting than the idea page on IW. 
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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On December 17, 2007, 2:57 am eKKeNomo said:
This thread is more subdued and interesting than the idea page on IW.
Only because it's pointless re-butting the same rubbish twice. I would question whether this thread is more interesting. I think fanciful and hallucinatory is more likely.
For some strange reason that diagram of an earpiece tracker looks a lot like the gel suppositories I use for my young son when he's constipated.
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eKKeNomo
Member since: Jun 17, 2007 Rank: Merchant (32 Posts) |
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I guess you need to be sober Siddey
The ealier post as per the link indicate was its really a pill and intend to be swallowed.
Well I guess its really pointless to guide your "close" beautiful mind now.
Be sure you would not get confused to used this RFID as your son's suppository if this product come its way to your Medicine cabinet.
Cheer up mate!?
The ealier post as per the link indicate was its really a pill and intend to be swallowed.
On December 16, 2007, 11:23 am Ma_Superior said:
hmmm... I like the non evasive form, IF this is an earplug type
Well I guess its really pointless to guide your "close" beautiful mind now.
Be sure you would not get confused to used this RFID as your son's suppository if this product come its way to your Medicine cabinet.
Cheer up mate!?
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Hmmm - I think you're confusing someone with a sense of humour with a drunk. I admit I've been tarred with the same brush before but I can assure you on this occasion I am quite capable of telling the difference between RAGS and a gel suppository.
Surprisingly, they're not that different. I think that is the cause of confusion.
Time to move on......there are other ideas much more worthy of our time. Plus you should be focused on what you're going to buy Blue for Xmas. Is it too late to get a Teewrapz through customs?
Surprisingly, they're not that different. I think that is the cause of confusion.
Time to move on......there are other ideas much more worthy of our time. Plus you should be focused on what you're going to buy Blue for Xmas. Is it too late to get a Teewrapz through customs?
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farrah
Member since: Aug 25, 2007 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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lol...now it makes sense to me!
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Brenden
Member since: Feb 3, 2007 Rank: Viking King (767 Posts) |
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On December 17, 2007, 4:44 am siddey said:
Plus you should be focused on what you're going to buy Blue for Xmas. Is it too late to get a Teewrapz through customs?
Joyce could you perhaps supply us with one? we will buy it.
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joyce
Member since: May 10, 2007 Rank: Warrior (220 Posts) |
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Good day to you all!
I got a family occassion over the weekend and my hands are full running errands and accommodating all the relatives
Now back to you guys:
The F&H would be in average of $30 (defends on location)...
the unit cost is about $40(we're still finalizing the final SRP since Philippines is stronger lately against $US )
But production will come later I can not make special arrangement for you or for Blue.. My Cambros arrived only last week plus another 45 calendar days on the local bank, I have to break the news that you cant be my priority on Valentine month. If you insist, you have to produce first your company profile and prepare for a bond to expedite better chance of regular business with me. Minimum order will be by a 20 footer container van (about 1800 unit of teewrapz). You can save more if you will interested to see the other product design by Saigon (threefold: a folding hanger) 3pcs @ $40.
You can fax your Letter of Intent at my number 63 084 2225428
By the way, would you be interested to include RAGS service on the shipment for the assets inventory and tracking? I am not be responsible for the lost or wrong shipment if a glitch will accidentally deliver the goods in Iceland.
Respectfully yours,
-Joyce
I got a family occassion over the weekend and my hands are full running errands and accommodating all the relatives
Now back to you guys:
The F&H would be in average of $30 (defends on location)...
the unit cost is about $40(we're still finalizing the final SRP since Philippines is stronger lately against $US )
But production will come later I can not make special arrangement for you or for Blue.. My Cambros arrived only last week plus another 45 calendar days on the local bank, I have to break the news that you cant be my priority on Valentine month. If you insist, you have to produce first your company profile and prepare for a bond to expedite better chance of regular business with me. Minimum order will be by a 20 footer container van (about 1800 unit of teewrapz). You can save more if you will interested to see the other product design by Saigon (threefold: a folding hanger) 3pcs @ $40.
You can fax your Letter of Intent at my number 63 084 2225428
By the way, would you be interested to include RAGS service on the shipment for the assets inventory and tracking? I am not be responsible for the lost or wrong shipment if a glitch will accidentally deliver the goods in Iceland.
Respectfully yours,
-Joyce
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Brenden
Member since: Feb 3, 2007 Rank: Viking King (767 Posts) |
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Good Luck, I hope you get lots of orders.
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Magickaito
Member since: Nov 13, 2007 Rank: Warrior (130 Posts) |
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Wow wow wow... x 1000 times.
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Concept_Melody
Member since: Jul 16, 2007 Rank: Peasant (6 Posts) |
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Perhaps you mean Philippine Peso against US$?
I thought the Good guys and one gentleman are ordering?! Where are they now?
I thought the Good guys and one gentleman are ordering?! Where are they now?
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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I'm not getting and TeeWrapz! for Christmas?
I am angry. Very angry.
I am angry. Very angry.
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On December 18, 2007, 12:26 pm Blue said:
I'm not getting and TeeWrapz! for Christmas?
I am angry. Very angry.
You can't handle a TeeWrapz!
Hope you remember Xmas socks and mistletoe this holidays...
but do comment on my returning ]IDEA' target='_blank'>http://www.cambrianh...smI7qmk/[/url">]IDEA for the next round.
see: http://www.cambrianh...er/ideas-id/smI7qmk/
I will be thankful if you will give more significant post either here or on the idea page.
Happy Holidays!
Posted: December 9, 2007, 6:44 am