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GordonMcDowell
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 12:38 pm |
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GroundLoad
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 12:53 pm |
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 4:05 pm |
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GordonMcDowell
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postpone voting till you have at least 50 ideas
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 4:16 pm |
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LarsBell
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 4:32 pm |
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GroundLoad
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On October 26, 2007, 4:05 pm vanhees said:
Two:
People think they have to vote high since the idea was considered good by others.
Cheers
Tommy
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 6:30 pm |
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siddey
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 10:01 pm |
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Blue
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Posted: October 26, 2007, 11:00 pm |
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 12:27 am |
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saigon
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On October 26, 2007, 10:01 pm siddey said:
I agree entirely with Gord & Blue's blog rant this week. It's such a destructive abuse of CH system to crank up your idea by ringing your faithful followers.
.... I feel that CH is justified in protecting the majority from the people out there that destroy the community spirit.
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 6:05 am |
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siddey
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 7:49 am |
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GordonMcDowell
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Saigon said...
While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize any idea here it such more saddening people promote an agenda via their position and powerful tool.
Showcasing those oneliner supporter was such a malicious cheap shot against the author and those who believe in the idea!
Gord additional bashing didnt help much to give fair assesement too.Was the similar quoted idea so stupid to being in the business for over 30 years?.. did you guys never heard market taste and product life cycle?
I wonder If someone reinvent paper clip and fastener and win in the Ideawarz coming from native North-am would get the same bashing.
Oh am sure, someone would give me a spit to opined again to pack my things and go somewhere...well why dont this guys do the same thing..go to the mountain and do another CH like site with only their own pre-selected members strutting their great minds and infallible judgement.
What is collective intelligence if the powerful elite dominates and used their position to assert their maligned afterthoughts? Why dont we simply be matured enough and forge an intelligent collaboration instead?
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 11:15 am |
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Blue
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 12:20 pm |
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ccozad
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The Smile Project - Somehow I see a discussion framework on top of Flickr photos tagged with smile. (Flickr has great APIs.)
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 1:45 pm |
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darlinglilred
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On October 27, 2007, 12:20 pm Blue said:
I have the most unintelligent word Saigon has ever heard or read!
Dear Saigon,
The next time you call my cell phone when you are drunk and it is the middle of the night where you are, I'll show you what unintelligent words are.
Have a great day,
Sarah Blue
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 3:06 pm |
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ccozad
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 3:22 pm |
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true_daniel
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On October 27, 2007, 11:15 am GordonMcDowell said:
Hey everyone to posted since my reply to Vanhees (LarsBell, GroundLoad, siddey, ccozad): Thanks for the feedback on this.
Specific questions about crowdsourceability (and rating it) is a great idea. On one hand it'll be sad to see some ideas not get submitted (in that some are good but not easy to crowdsource), but I'd rather sacrifice a few good ideas to help narrow the focus of our site, and make the criteria easier to articulate.
The Smile Project - Somehow I see a discussion framework on top of Flickr photos tagged with smile. (Flickr has great APIs.)
Saigon said...
While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize any idea here it such more saddening people promote an agenda via their position and powerful tool.
Our agenda is having a fun site where people can collaborate on refining and implementing interesting ideas.
A future of TeeWrapz! caliber ideas is not what I'm going to spend my life facilitating. If Cambrian House has to choose between a future of inferior ideas and shutting the site down, we will shut the site down.
Showcasing those oneliner supporter was such a malicious cheap shot against the author and those who believe in the idea!
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
Gord additional bashing didnt help much to give fair assesement too.Was the similar quoted idea so stupid to being in the business for over 30 years?.. did you guys never heard market taste and product life cycle?
I would be happy to see TeeWrapz! succeed. Go for it! Best of luck.
I wonder If someone reinvent paper clip and fastener and win in the Ideawarz coming from native North-am would get the same bashing.
Hard to say. Because a re-invented paper clip has not yet won IdeaWarz.
Oh am sure, someone would give me a spit to opined again to pack my things and go somewhere...well why dont this guys do the same thing..go to the mountain and do another CH like site with only their own pre-selected members strutting their great minds and infallible judgement.
What is collective intelligence if the powerful elite dominates and used their position to assert their maligned afterthoughts? Why dont we simply be matured enough and forge an intelligent collaboration instead?
All the collaborative mechanisms of Cambrian House are at your disposal. Joyce has won 100 Cambros. I have not disabled any accounts. Everyone who thought TeeWrapz! was a good idea can get cracking.
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 5:26 pm |
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 5:33 pm |
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On October 27, 2007, 6:05 am saigon said:
A weekly tournament with an average of 20 ideas now and about 50 early adopter voters surely will have this kind of pitfall.
gord said:
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm |
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siddey
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On October 27, 2007, 6:05 am saigon said:
A weekly tournament with an average of 20 ideas now and about 50 early adopter voters surely will have this kind of pitfall.
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
While I can't really agree with most of what Saigon says, this really is a good point. The participation is low in voting and so even a moderate level of promotion with an average idea can make it a winner.
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
I'd also throw into the fray, that most of the active users on the site have thrown in their best ideas and we're not going to get many more good ideas out of those that are already participating.
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
gord said:
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
I think it's not quite in context to say that they gamed you. I believe gaming requires them to do something that violates a rule or law.
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Posted: October 27, 2007, 9:10 pm |
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We are sad about mentioning this week's Weekly Ideawarz winnerin our blog. Want to know why? We'll tell you! Many new people find our website through our blog and we don't want their first impression of our amazing community to be on such a bad idea. Bad how? Bad in every sense of the word. It is impossible to crowdsource this idea. Moreover, it is not a viable business.
Seriously, what are you guys thinking? Are we to blame? Is this a case of bad parenting? I feel like one of those single mothers that is trying to improve the quality of life for her teenagers by working two jobs, then the teenagers get involved with the wrong crowd anyway.
Gord and I will take full responsibility for this. We realize that there isn't very much to do on our site currently. In spite of this, there are several people that are managing to do amazing things on here. These are not the people that are voting up bad ideas in weekly Ideawarz.
Does the community need a lesson in crowdsourcing? The Wisdom of Crowds? We can recommend a few books for you if you are interested.
Here's some quick definitions for all of you to consider (taken from our friend, Jeff Howe's Crowdsoursing blog.
The White Paper Version: Crowdsourcing is the act of taking a job traditionally performed by a designated agent (usually an employee) and outsourcing it to an undefined, generally large group of people in the form of an open call.
The Soundbyte Version: The application of Open Source principles to fields outside of software.
Keep these definitions in mind. If these principles don't apply to your idea, do not enter it into Weekly Ideawarz. You are more than welcome to discuss any type of idea in our forums.
Hope this helps,
Sarah
Posted: October 26, 2007, 12:06 pm