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...in the IdeaWarz bucket eh? That might work although we'd probably have to delay finishing a competition until there were 50 ideas ready for the next tournament. Otherwise there'd be inactivity between tournaments.
Todd has pointed out our production box has error logs I need to review. It might be errors which are being caught but still the exception handling is slowing down the site.
I'm working on some TOC mods (not quite what you have in mind but close) and INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT buttons. I've got to get those live before I can review the error logs.
I completely agree with this statement. One false review from a heavy hitter on the site, even if the message is just unclear could make or break the voting stage. Ideally, if people submitted their ideas into the forums first I believe it may solve that issue.
Absquatulate!
-A
While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize any idea here, yet it's much more saddening than people promote an agenda via their position and powerful tool.
I have heard the mob thing and its arguments(and lack of it) repeated in several forums, but it is in this particular that I heard/viewed today got me thinking. I detest such ranting posted in community blogpost instead of being intelligently discussed at least in the forum.
Joyce's idea was paraded in previous bucket..the few but encouraging comments made her to refine and asses her idea. She tried to comply by returning last week. I openly supported her since my another idea which is t3fold can compliment with her own Teewrapz. What mob rule then that this sour graping moguls are trying to picture out - the crowd originating on the same region-? Did they or this "mob" suddenly pop-out out of nowhere like mushroom and down vote other idea on the 11th hour (just what happened on several occasions here now) to call in names Gord/Blue thought is anti WOC? Showcasing those oneliner supporter was such a malicious cheap shot against the authors and those who believe in the idea! Thats tyranny of the few, and what Ive been seeing in this thread.
Sarah Blue's word is one of the most unintelligent remark I've ever read and heard in this community next to something she uttered against me not so long ago(what was that again?). Gord additional bashing didnt help much to give fair assesement too. Was the similar quoted idea so stupid to being in the business for over 30 years?.. did you guys never heard market taste and product life cycle? "Protecting the majority" ...this line seems an elitist remark! Gord/Blue for me made a duet that sounds like Shaq O'neal howling for not being voted as Top Center when Yao Ming had the vote coming all the way from China! What makes this two individuals and your own supporters better than those not so active members who supported Joyce (or whoever in the future)? Yeah its not another software revolutionary idea..but were Chesssphere and even other good ideas under CH and successful money making products in the market original? I wonder If someone reinvent paper clip and fastener and win in the Ideawarz coming from native North-am would get the same bashing. A weekly tournament with an average of 20 ideas now and about 50 early adopter voters surely will have this kind of pitfall. A probable minority winner from marginalized members-such a schism huh?!-
Oh, am sure, someone would give me a spit to opine again to pack my things and go somewhere...well why dont these guys do the same thing..go to the mountain and do another CH like a site with only their own pre-selected members strutting their great minds and infallible judgement.
What is collective intelligence if the powerful elite dominates and used their position to assert their maligned after thoughts? Why dont we simply be matured enough and forge an intelligent collaboration instead?
*btw sorry for my english grammer
I was thinking the same thing after I wrote that paragraph
I seriously hope that Saigon calling Blue is a joke...
I got to be brave and true on this one...before i hit the golf ball few minutes from now.
Thanks for not disabling my account!
*pulls pin, throws and runs*
While I can't really agree with most of what Saigon says, this really is a good point. The participation is low in voting and so even a moderate level of promotion with an average idea can make it a winner.
I also don't know why "the crowd" was thrown under the bus when the small crowd is really the problem. Blue's definition defines crowdsourcing as "generally large group of people." I don't think we quite constitute that.
I'd also throw into the fray, that most of the active users on the site have thrown in their best ideas and we're not going to get many more good ideas out of those that are already participating. I wonder if starting to build some of these ideas (like I'm doing) won't spur innovation and other ideas which will become game changing (see Youtube amongst others which I can't remember now).
I think it's not quite in context to say that they gamed you. I believe gaming requires them to do something that violates a rule or law. They didn't as far as I know. In fact, they did what has been promoted and rewarded, promote their idea and CH. Did they possibly exploit a flawed system for 100 Cambros? Quite possibly.
It's interesting that CH has come from MJ wanting every and any idea listed on CH to now only wanting ideas that fit a certain model. Something for which was suggested near the beginning. I'm all for this type of filering of ideas to those relevant to crowdsourcing and technology. Once we have the crowdsourcing technology down, then move on to other types of crowdsourcing.
I don't think anyone is doubting this but I also don't think it's the real problem (it just makes it more difficult to combat the issue). Recent comments are more focused on instigating cultural/attitudinal change amongst the crowd for the better of the site.
My view is that it shouldn't matter how many people are voting so long as they're assessing an idea on its merits and relevance to CH, in an unbiased manner (the two criteria go hand in hand). What we see every now and then is a significant skewing of something that would normally dwell below the surface. A popularity contest takes place in which people ignore all the normal criteria upon which they would assess an idea.
Big call! I'd like to think I can still come up with some more ideas prior to me shuffling off this mortal coil.
Rules can be written and unwritten. In CH's case, I think a lot are unwritten and are only picked up by spending a lot of time on CH, reading posts and following CH staffer blogs. I think CH needs to work on extracting and articulating the CH guiding principles. That way even new comers can get off to a flying start.
It's such a no-brainer to say to people that CH is not a place to vote for your mates, so this should be front and centre in the idea creation stages and voting stages of the site.
I'm not saying that long time CHers can't come up with more ideas. Certainly we could all think up a zillion ideas. However, a big part of this thread is about executing an idea. Do you really think that you could come up with a more compelling idea that you could execute any better than the ideas you've already submitted. (I'm using you to mean anyone on CH) I guess it's possible, but I think pretty unlikely. The fact is that until we do something about some of these ideas we won't know if we're sitting on a gold field or clay.
I think there's a rather large feeling that once you win an idea warz tournament that "the crowd" will help carry you to executing an idea. Maybe my ideas suck, but even with me paying cambros I can barely get people in CH to work on ideas. Everyone seems to want to work on their own and very few work on other ideas. So people should know that winning the tournament means you're going to have to execute the idea if you want it to be successful. People aren't going to execute it for you and I haven't heard of anyone buying your Idea Warz champion idea in the bazaar. That leaves you with 100 cambros. Maybe that's why you joined CH, but I know I joined for the possibility of something much bigger.
There are exceptions to people helping on others ideas and I hope this mentality will continue to change over time. However, the site was designed to create this mentality and the original designers should be applauded since that was the original purpose. However, times have changed and if we want to get any projects done on CH, then we're going to have to figure out how to mobilize the crowd yourself.</ rant>
Geez, I'm starting to sound like CC, complaining about lack of people working to execute ideas.
One last thought, my personal hope is to help break through this mentality by having a profitable idea that people will want to participate in. I guess we'll see if actual revenue and profits will be enough to motivate people to participate in an idea. I'm determined to find out.
I'm working on creating that team. We're 3 now and my latest idea is to have a big CH team work day where hopefully we can accomplish a lot and possibly create interest in more people that don't know what we're working on. I guess we'll see how good I am at recruiting people. Plus, I'm trying to figure out the economics of it all. Possibly cash prizes to the people who do the most.
I actually just created a post that points to a similar question, Why aren't people participating in ideas?
Coozad,
Your link refering to my call to CH/Jasmine was the hour prior to Mid-day cutoff of an Ideawarz(1am Manila time)...this was when i had photo-finish race to Fish99's idea.
I don't want to recall this anymore but i guess its about time since the issue circle on the same matter. I was complaining/asking Jasmine if CH is doing anything about the obvious negative voting on the last hour while propelling Fish's idea to overtake me. She simply said its a normal Wednesday cutoff voting activity and they dont see anything wrong about it even coming to same IP address (a topic subsequently open up by Joyce).I was so dissapointed that the very thing were trying to avoid -last minute negative voting and flooding of new members to vote- is happening again under (CH) cold shoulder. Sure i made some litany going back to what happen to my early experience against Fossiloflife, Jasmine seems not interested and simply says its me who doesnt listen when its clearly a double standard am experiencing that night. However there was this odd thing Jasmine offered to me. Since it was the last day of Weekly IDeawarz before TOC begin she told me she can SWAP my Exceptional Universal Site to my IPEG idea instead. This i said NO, i deemed its definitely a possible fiasco and an issue vary anti WOC considering its has no precedence and for me a betrayal of trust from those who voted for EUS+. Though i wish my 2 ideas are in TOC on their own winning merits not because of under the table agreement. I ended the call going into the motion of last minutes jitters of how voting would end.
I lose by a hairline, in the spirit of sportsmanship i licked my wound-congratulate d Fish99- and went on my way to develop more ideas. Nobody question of mob rule that time though JOyce's question the real winner because of the stat shows misleading result (same score result).
Fastforward, JOYCE'S IDEA came on top last week leading from wire to wire -so to speak- with few negative comments she finish the week with interested business partners(now team members) coming in 3 corners of the globe. Blue coming from her out of town business sorty arrived smoking like a junk yard dog...not contended to forum posting went on video show her legendary antics and blasted Joyce idea ala Howard Stern bombasting its : "Freaking Dumbest idea " *
-this is what am referring to be the most unintelligent words i ever heard...-
Perhaps its Blue who is making a mountain out of a mole hill... i made the call not knowing its her cellular phone under two different time zone (1AM here 12NOON in Alberta)i would be unprofessional if i'll disturbed her by dawn if i will call her day time in the Philippines ..its purely a business call -me inquiring my (cambros) check whereabouts- after several email respondent...its just purely coincidence that we have a party in the neighborhood.
Am sorry of my ignorance if i failed to realized CH installed a voice/alcohol level analyzer to determine if caller(s) are drunk! Good Lord we 3rd world countries are really behind on technology... But i can swear over my petdog's grave that device is not working.
Go figure
Peace be with you!
Observed the same way..and agrees with Techguy in major points! Something like what was submitted/suggested before CHinvention.com
Haha, whatever, you were drunk. You said you were drunk, you posted in the forums that you were drunk and I sat on the phone listening to you politely.
Thank you for saying my antics are legendary and that I smoke like a junk yard dog!
...i made it a point to consult this guys before..when my other idea (EUS+) is on the run, i emailed Blue/Hal et al regarding possible backlash of same IP address under my university would be read in the wrong context..BLue says its fine..Gord would not step in as long as its not as fishy as what happened before(i.e.Tergwin, fossiloflife?)
Sure i did invited my colleagues because my ideas is something they understand more (read: likeminded) the merit of my idea.
I dont want to spoil your Sunday but who gamed who? HOw it works
Members new or not participated in honing Joyce's idea though its more of a physical idea and almost "done" the voting crowd present on that week (say 100 out of 17k members)made their share of approval/dissaproval by votes and any comment that come to their mind..though i wish they opined to alter the design and made several more additional feature and marketing tips that is not in anyone control even if Joyce beg for more juicy comments. The process was and is to the spirit and letter of what crowdsourcing is all about- its not her fault if the luminaries here ignored it in dislke-...the IDEA is on the next stage collaborating with its team members.
I dont want to sound another broken record (i hear you mumbling) but i accept our personal opinion differs but less we forget we have responsibilites too. WE should remember your own parent's values shared to us (thanks Blue for the reminder). I am a professional license educator (with 14yrs of marketing/management exp) and i know when and where a situation needs a scrupulous reason to rant.
Youre welcome
Enjoy the out door today!
Saigon you should really check out RHF you would fit in really really well there.
Ahhh it's fun to be back!
Careful CyberCerebus I just figured out who you are on facebook now :p I saw that voodoo doll!
Hehe no need for me to be careful--I'm happily open about who I am.
darlinglilred,
Could you help me reviewing my stocks of acronyms list for RHF?
RHF Radio High Frequency
RHF Rec.humor.funny (newsgroup)
RHF Red Horse Flight
RHF Redhead Factor
RHF Remote Handling Facility
RHF Requisition History File
RHF Residence Hall Federation
RHF Restricted Hartree-Fock
RHF Retired Healthy and Free
RHF Retirement Housing Foundation (Long Beach, California)
RHF Right Heart Failure (medical)
RHF Royal Highland Fusiliers
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too bad i think am staying too much on my clinic!
RHF stands for RobinHoodFund, a site owned by CH. It's infamous for drama, infighting and people who sound like broken records whining about how unfair everything is.
Hi hichriso,
Thank you for taking the time to give us some advice, I know you are probably pretty busy trying to get your own site launched, so it is much appreciated.
For those in the community, hichriso is an expert in this field, you can check out his website (on his profile page) at http://www.mercopia.com.*
Again, I am disappointed in the community, not in Joyce. How do you plan to handle situations like this when your idea co-op launches? Do you have Angels or VCs that will fund ideas? Will they fund an idea like TeeWrapz because the community has spoken? For us, the 100Cambros isn't really a big deal, because a)it is only $100 and b)we know that people will put it to good use. I'm curious to read your thoughts about this.
If Joyce wants to go ahead and work on TeeWrapz, she has my blessing. If she can find others to work on it with her, even better! I hope it is successful. My issue comes with the community.
Having said that, people bring up a good point. We know that voting on our current site is broken, so should we really be surprised at the outcome? We are working hard on CH3.0 and wanted to keep this site up, but on life support, so everyone would at least have a place to come and discuss their ideas and continue working on their current projects. Should we just dispence with IdeaWarz altogether for now? Keep it as is and pretend to not be disappointed?
Looking forward to hearing opinions on this,
Blue
*As I was typing this, you removed this link from your profile, I'm not sure why. Let me know if you aren't there anymore!
If Gord and I were neutral, along with everyone else in the forums, what would we have to discuss?
Give me a break guys, Utopia is boring. These discussions and opinions help us all flush out amazing things.
You betcha I bolded all of that.
Oh no. Here we go again.
LOL agreed.
I apologize for even reading that part!
Yes, fixing it. Yes, saw it coming.
Oh that's fine, I'm not expecting an apology from anyone. No worries!
My incentive for continuing IdeaWarz competitions are:
1 - I think the easier-to-participate processes on our site help generate traffic, and the traffic is needed to help facilitate implementation of ideas.
2 - It forces activity on our end, so CH must keep on top of discussions and ideas on current site.
3 - CH credibility as a "crowdsourcing company", lack of which would impact development of CH 3.0.
Reason #1 is something the community might want to comment on. If your idea has won IW, (or if you're in the process of trying to crowdsource it), you might feel slighted that YOU have put in the time and energy to promote your idea, and that WE respond by taking down the site. But if bad ideas were to win IW from this point forward, it is unlikely to help inspire crowdsourcing activity.
Does the community have any point-blank advice aside from (the very important) WOC mechanisms that need improvement? Like "take it down and let us know when 3.0 is live" or "kill IdeaWarz videos they're a waste of time" or "try a more hands-off approach" or "how about more Cambros".
Or "more cowbell".
Interesting.
Would this be retroactive? I mean, there wouldn't be any chance of Sweet Nuts showing up on my profile now, would there?
Hypothetically speaking.
I could use a little more cowbell.
Well that a nice addition..at least people (or CH) can view who did support who. I for for one did supported Hospital Connection, CHessphere, Worldrun, RAGS, and countless other that seems a turn-off on someone nose.
But on the contrary this would be the same on butchering the vote that would moecked its sanctity?
Now am gettin confused!
Well... average dictionary(like ave men) would pronounced Feng Shui as: /ˈfʌŋ ˈʃweɪ/ [fuhng shwey]
Half the world would appreciate this more if the correct regional usage will be used: FAWNG SOY /'fong sooy (pong suy?)
..this one is from a Chinese Professor (Fulbright Scholar).
It is just CH3 death too .0!
Funny, my idea notebook says otherwise. I just don't have the time to post them and talk. One day I will see if I can post so many ideas they will need an IdeaWarz just for my ideas.
Speaking as "heavy hitter" and Leaderboard user I have the power to make or break you. I do have magic powers unlike these muggles that call themselves CH users.
Because, think about it I have seen so many ideas I know how things work. My reviews can be trusted unlike anonymoususer74. I have seen what works and what will fail in CH. I know a good idea when I see one.
I do vote and comment vary harshly on most ideas. I am very pass fail.
When a high ranked member like myself or staff says positive things. You are going to see all of the following comments get more positive and votes go up. Because when we say good stuff people start to re-think things in a positive way.
They think why are these high ranked people voting for this idea. When they do that. (They are not no longer thinking only about your ideas problems. Also, they don't want to feel stupid and be the only one not knowing why the idea is great.)
Getting on my good side is going to help you.
Darn your sweet wicked thought Kevin. I like this!
Rather than building complex IDEAS and waiting for VC i believe it is more productive to find, develop and promote simple ideas that empower people and we can build up good successful stories (or hype this) that is also parallel to pending software ideas waiting to takeoff(or get noticed).
Am not a marketing savvy I'm not even a programmer. I cant define RSS feed nor what is AJAX means to my life but I think good attention and a track record of business coming from this site would be attract more people and right connections.
No one says it. But, that is how the system is set up. That is why everyone has such bad ideas. They make ideas to complex to make real.
Look at most of the ideas in the current ideawarz they are all to overly complex to work. They are to big for people to handle. In ideawarz anyone can just submit any crazy idea.
Here is an example: There should be monkey butlers. everyone would want them and we could train all of the monkeys to do stuff for us. The best part is we don't have to pay them!
That might as well be an idea in ideawarz. Sure this would require a lot of work to train and acquire monkeys. It would be to hard for anyone to make happen and require a lot investment money.
But, everyone would like the idea of monkey butlers that will do our work for no money.
In ideawarz there is no roof, so you get ideas through the roof. What ideawarz needs is something that limits ideas to only things that we can do!
That is why the ideas are so bad.
Also,
It is just CH3, we are too cool for .0!
In the process of removing 0's, you left the o out of too.
I agree with your statement. Most of the ideas in IdeaWarz I have to give bad scores:
1. It's impossible to build
2. I don't see any way that person could build the idea. If it takes someone like Google to build the idea, then I can't rate it highly
Both of these criteria indicate a need for simpler ideas.
The opposite of this is really interesting. Many very simple ideas submitted to idea warz have the comment "Simple. Good. Just go out and do it."
It's definitely the doing that's challenging.
Well for now I definitely don't want to display voting data. Its hidden again, and I think it won't be shared until it can be done so in a new way. I know what you're describing doesn't offer totals or easy analysis. But it might entail vote swapping. (Vote swapping isn't a big concern, but now that I'm veering to opaque again, I might as well go all the way.)
Fair enough, Kev!
Don't mind if I call you Kev do you Kev? Kev Kev Kev Kev Kev!
OH, I'm sorry, that's not your name. Your name is K-E-V-I-N! My apologies! Now, if you don't mind...
PLEASE stick to our proper naming conventions.
Regards,
- Gordon James McDowell The First
(joke)
I can't understand what the F**K this lady is doing in CH ? I heard longtime ago she's responsible for making the user experience better but she's doing the exactly opposite.
Seriously, tell me, what's her role in CH ?
Whoa, seriously Ady, you ok? It seems as though you are about to climb the proverbial clock tower.
It's true.
If this is the same thing as the idea in question, I have one. Very useful for bicycle commuters.
As for the harsh comments on Blue...maybe everyone should back off a little. Can you imagine if every single part of your job was transparent and not just to your boss but to the world via the web? Think about it. You submit a report and the entire WORLD chimes in. You serve someone coffee and EVERYONE gets to respond to how you're doing. She has a really, really hard job. Just exercise some come decency when you're posting. If you have issue with Blue, talk to Blue.
And it looks like the 'LINK' function in the forum isn't closing href tags again
;-)
We get it you support Teewrapz and love Saigon could you please stop posting in every single thread there is about it now?!
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GordonMcDowell
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The corresponding blog post further illustrates our frustrations, and my distrust of dairy products.
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GroundLoad
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... and his love for all things Pokemon.
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vanhees
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Well the level of ideas has gone down a lot, but the 'speed' of the site is not helping to participate.
About some results:
Since the order of the ideas is done by number of points you can have two effects:
one:
People stop voting after 5 ideas, and in this way vote just on the ideas which happen to be in the lead.
Two:
People think they have to vote high since the idea was considered good by others.
I would opt for
random order
no showing of points/average/number of votes.
postpone voting till you have at least 50 ideas.
my 2 cents.
Anyways Sarah: it's normal to have over a whole year good and bad ideas. Like (i think) you once said: bad ideas wont make it into a businuess and good ideas will, even if they don't make it.
Cheers
Tommy
About some results:
Since the order of the ideas is done by number of points you can have two effects:
one:
People stop voting after 5 ideas, and in this way vote just on the ideas which happen to be in the lead.
Two:
People think they have to vote high since the idea was considered good by others.
I would opt for
random order
no showing of points/average/number of votes.
postpone voting till you have at least 50 ideas.
my 2 cents.
Anyways Sarah: it's normal to have over a whole year good and bad ideas. Like (i think) you once said: bad ideas wont make it into a businuess and good ideas will, even if they don't make it.
Cheers
Tommy
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GordonMcDowell
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postpone voting till you have at least 50 ideas
...in the IdeaWarz bucket eh? That might work although we'd probably have to delay finishing a competition until there were 50 ideas ready for the next tournament. Otherwise there'd be inactivity between tournaments.
Todd has pointed out our production box has error logs I need to review. It might be errors which are being caught but still the exception handling is slowing down the site.
I'm working on some TOC mods (not quite what you have in mind but close) and INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT buttons. I've got to get those live before I can review the error logs.
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LarsBell
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Gord and Blue,
Don't be too hard on yourselves or the crowd. The mission of IdeaWarz, as I understand it, was to promote some ideas that at first glance seem to be better than others. At best that is what people are giving the weekly contestants, a glance.
Of course the weekly contest could use some refinments (I'm personally for random order and against hiding scores).
The real thing that needs to be improved is what happens after the weekly winner. How do we refine ideas? How do we give them more critical reviews? How do we start building components that the crowd can activily start testing the next week? I don't think you need to reinvent the wheel here, just apply some best of breed practices from other community forges.
Lars
PS if you really want an example of crowds gone wrong, and the dangers of ignoring expert advice go read about China's steel production during the "great leap forward" on wikipedia.
Don't be too hard on yourselves or the crowd. The mission of IdeaWarz, as I understand it, was to promote some ideas that at first glance seem to be better than others. At best that is what people are giving the weekly contestants, a glance.
Of course the weekly contest could use some refinments (I'm personally for random order and against hiding scores).
The real thing that needs to be improved is what happens after the weekly winner. How do we refine ideas? How do we give them more critical reviews? How do we start building components that the crowd can activily start testing the next week? I don't think you need to reinvent the wheel here, just apply some best of breed practices from other community forges.
Lars
PS if you really want an example of crowds gone wrong, and the dangers of ignoring expert advice go read about China's steel production during the "great leap forward" on wikipedia.
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GroundLoad
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On October 26, 2007, 4:05 pm vanhees said:
Two:
People think they have to vote high since the idea was considered good by others.
Cheers
Tommy
I completely agree with this statement. One false review from a heavy hitter on the site, even if the message is just unclear could make or break the voting stage. Ideally, if people submitted their ideas into the forums first I believe it may solve that issue.
Absquatulate!
-A
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siddey
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What about adding a, "I will leverage crowdsourcing by...." text field to the elevator pitch then;
1. If it is left blank, prevent the idea from entering the weekly tournament.
2. If it's lamo (i.e. clearly there is no relationship to crowdsourcing or it's just far-fetched), kick the idea out of the tournament.
3. Following on from a recent discussion about additional voting criteria, add "crowdsourcability" as a category.
4. Add the "CH commandments" to the top of the idea submission page to clarify what is relevant and what is not.
I agree entirely with Gord & Blue's blog rant this week. It's such a destructive abuse of the CH system to crank up your idea by ringing your faithful followers.
If there were more constructive comments left that actually articulated why an idea is such a good idea, then that would be a different story. The sheer volume of biased, one-liners adding no value to the discussion was downright deceptive and blindly arrogant.
All large crowds need some form of crowd control and in this case I feel that CH is justified in protecting the majority from the people out there that destroy the community spirit.
1. If it is left blank, prevent the idea from entering the weekly tournament.
2. If it's lamo (i.e. clearly there is no relationship to crowdsourcing or it's just far-fetched), kick the idea out of the tournament.
3. Following on from a recent discussion about additional voting criteria, add "crowdsourcability" as a category.
4. Add the "CH commandments" to the top of the idea submission page to clarify what is relevant and what is not.
I agree entirely with Gord & Blue's blog rant this week. It's such a destructive abuse of the CH system to crank up your idea by ringing your faithful followers.
If there were more constructive comments left that actually articulated why an idea is such a good idea, then that would be a different story. The sheer volume of biased, one-liners adding no value to the discussion was downright deceptive and blindly arrogant.
All large crowds need some form of crowd control and in this case I feel that CH is justified in protecting the majority from the people out there that destroy the community spirit.
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I'm. Trying to reply from my phone as I'm in the middle of nowhere for the weekend. I just wanted to say (right away, before I can reply on my laptop) you guys are awesome! I'm excited about your replies and Gord and I will have a lot to talk about next week! Will post more later!
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ccozad
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This is what happens when people get in a rut. It's time to pull the rug out from underneath people and switch things up. Give folks the "joy", that spark when they first found CH or say when tournaments switched and started becoming weekly.
I would love to see a few projects, either sponsored by CH or by members of the community that are just pure crowd sourcing activities... the kind of projects where everyone can help out and feel like they contributed.
And here is something a little off the norm... don't even have the business model be the main focus. The focus will be to bring people together and when they come together, maybe, just maybe the chemistry will be right and ideas will materialize. That is the great thing about ideas, it is usually while you are anxiously engaged in something else that you come up with that "great idea"
So here is my two cents for something a little off the norm, but might get people together and get them thinking:
"The Smile Project" - A web site that is all about smiles. There is the smile gallery where you can view user submitted pictures of people smiling and laughing. Users can rate and categorize the types of smiles (smirks, grins, surprised, in love) There will also be a section to share stories about things that have made you smile.
The site will also have a screen saver / slide show program that you can download to get all sorts of smiles anytime you want. The smile project might also have a goal of say cataloging a billion different smiles. But the main goal is to spread a little joy and get people in that frame of mind they need to be to be creative.
I would love to see a few projects, either sponsored by CH or by members of the community that are just pure crowd sourcing activities... the kind of projects where everyone can help out and feel like they contributed.
And here is something a little off the norm... don't even have the business model be the main focus. The focus will be to bring people together and when they come together, maybe, just maybe the chemistry will be right and ideas will materialize. That is the great thing about ideas, it is usually while you are anxiously engaged in something else that you come up with that "great idea"
So here is my two cents for something a little off the norm, but might get people together and get them thinking:
"The Smile Project" - A web site that is all about smiles. There is the smile gallery where you can view user submitted pictures of people smiling and laughing. Users can rate and categorize the types of smiles (smirks, grins, surprised, in love) There will also be a section to share stories about things that have made you smile.
The site will also have a screen saver / slide show program that you can download to get all sorts of smiles anytime you want. The smile project might also have a goal of say cataloging a billion different smiles. But the main goal is to spread a little joy and get people in that frame of mind they need to be to be creative.
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On October 26, 2007, 10:01 pm siddey said:
I agree entirely with Gord & Blue's blog rant this week. It's such a destructive abuse of CH system to crank up your idea by ringing your faithful followers.
.... I feel that CH is justified in protecting the majority from the people out there that destroy the community spirit.
While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize any idea here, yet it's much more saddening than people promote an agenda via their position and powerful tool.
I have heard the mob thing and its arguments(and lack of it) repeated in several forums, but it is in this particular that I heard/viewed today got me thinking. I detest such ranting posted in community blogpost instead of being intelligently discussed at least in the forum.
Joyce's idea was paraded in previous bucket..the few but encouraging comments made her to refine and asses her idea. She tried to comply by returning last week. I openly supported her since my another idea which is t3fold can compliment with her own Teewrapz. What mob rule then that this sour graping moguls are trying to picture out - the crowd originating on the same region-? Did they or this "mob" suddenly pop-out out of nowhere like mushroom and down vote other idea on the 11th hour (just what happened on several occasions here now) to call in names Gord/Blue thought is anti WOC? Showcasing those oneliner supporter was such a malicious cheap shot against the authors and those who believe in the idea! Thats tyranny of the few, and what Ive been seeing in this thread.
Sarah Blue's word is one of the most unintelligent remark I've ever read and heard in this community next to something she uttered against me not so long ago(what was that again?). Gord additional bashing didnt help much to give fair assesement too. Was the similar quoted idea so stupid to being in the business for over 30 years?.. did you guys never heard market taste and product life cycle? "Protecting the majority" ...this line seems an elitist remark! Gord/Blue for me made a duet that sounds like Shaq O'neal howling for not being voted as Top Center when Yao Ming had the vote coming all the way from China! What makes this two individuals and your own supporters better than those not so active members who supported Joyce (or whoever in the future)? Yeah its not another software revolutionary idea..but were Chesssphere and even other good ideas under CH and successful money making products in the market original? I wonder If someone reinvent paper clip and fastener and win in the Ideawarz coming from native North-am would get the same bashing. A weekly tournament with an average of 20 ideas now and about 50 early adopter voters surely will have this kind of pitfall. A probable minority winner from marginalized members-such a schism huh?!-
Oh, am sure, someone would give me a spit to opine again to pack my things and go somewhere...well why dont these guys do the same thing..go to the mountain and do another CH like a site with only their own pre-selected members strutting their great minds and infallible judgement.
What is collective intelligence if the powerful elite dominates and used their position to assert their maligned after thoughts? Why dont we simply be matured enough and forge an intelligent collaboration instead?
*btw sorry for my english grammer
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Sadly, the usually mild mannered Siddey has finally cracked.
rm -r /usr/local/saigon
rm -r /usr/local/joyce
*pulls pin, throws and runs*
rm -r /usr/local/saigon
rm -r /usr/local/joyce
*pulls pin, throws and runs*
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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Hey everyone to posted since my reply to Vanhees (LarsBell, GroundLoad, siddey, ccozad): Thanks for the feedback on this.
Specific questions about crowdsourceability (and rating it) is a great idea. On one hand it'll be sad to see some ideas not get submitted (in that some are good but not easy to crowdsource), but I'd rather sacrifice a few good ideas to help narrow the focus of our site, and make the criteria easier to articulate.
The Smile Project - Somehow I see a discussion framework on top of Flickr photos tagged with smile. (Flickr has great APIs.)
Our agenda is having a fun site where people can collaborate on refining and implementing interesting ideas.
A future of TeeWrapz! caliber ideas is not what I'm going to spend my life facilitating. If Cambrian House has to choose between a future of inferior ideas and shutting the site down, we will shut the site down.
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
I would be happy to see TeeWrapz! succeed. Go for it! Best of luck.
Hard to say. Because a re-invented paper clip has not yet won IdeaWarz.
All the collaborative mechanisms of Cambrian House are at your disposal. Joyce has won 100 Cambros. I have not disabled any accounts. Everyone who thought TeeWrapz! was a good idea can get cracking.
Specific questions about crowdsourceability (and rating it) is a great idea. On one hand it'll be sad to see some ideas not get submitted (in that some are good but not easy to crowdsource), but I'd rather sacrifice a few good ideas to help narrow the focus of our site, and make the criteria easier to articulate.
The Smile Project - Somehow I see a discussion framework on top of Flickr photos tagged with smile. (Flickr has great APIs.)
Saigon said...
While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize any idea here it such more saddening people promote an agenda via their position and powerful tool.
Our agenda is having a fun site where people can collaborate on refining and implementing interesting ideas.
A future of TeeWrapz! caliber ideas is not what I'm going to spend my life facilitating. If Cambrian House has to choose between a future of inferior ideas and shutting the site down, we will shut the site down.
Showcasing those oneliner supporter was such a malicious cheap shot against the author and those who believe in the idea!
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
Gord additional bashing didnt help much to give fair assesement too.Was the similar quoted idea so stupid to being in the business for over 30 years?.. did you guys never heard market taste and product life cycle?
I would be happy to see TeeWrapz! succeed. Go for it! Best of luck.
I wonder If someone reinvent paper clip and fastener and win in the Ideawarz coming from native North-am would get the same bashing.
Hard to say. Because a re-invented paper clip has not yet won IdeaWarz.
Oh am sure, someone would give me a spit to opined again to pack my things and go somewhere...well why dont this guys do the same thing..go to the mountain and do another CH like site with only their own pre-selected members strutting their great minds and infallible judgement.
What is collective intelligence if the powerful elite dominates and used their position to assert their maligned afterthoughts? Why dont we simply be matured enough and forge an intelligent collaboration instead?
All the collaborative mechanisms of Cambrian House are at your disposal. Joyce has won 100 Cambros. I have not disabled any accounts. Everyone who thought TeeWrapz! was a good idea can get cracking.
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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I have the most unintelligent word Saigon has ever heard or read!
Dear Saigon,
The next time you call my cell phone when you are drunk and it is the middle of the night where you are, I'll show you what unintelligent words are.
Have a great day,
Sarah Blue
Dear Saigon,
The next time you call my cell phone when you are drunk and it is the middle of the night where you are, I'll show you what unintelligent words are.
Have a great day,
Sarah Blue
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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The Smile Project - Somehow I see a discussion framework on top of Flickr photos tagged with smile. (Flickr has great APIs.)
I was thinking the same thing after I wrote that paragraph
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 12:20 pm Blue said:
I have the most unintelligent word Saigon has ever heard or read!
Dear Saigon,
The next time you call my cell phone when you are drunk and it is the middle of the night where you are, I'll show you what unintelligent words are.
Have a great day,
Sarah Blue
I seriously hope that Saigon calling Blue is a joke...
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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true_daniel
Member since: Jun 26, 2007 Rank: Merchant (39 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 11:15 am GordonMcDowell said:
Hey everyone to posted since my reply to Vanhees (LarsBell, GroundLoad, siddey, ccozad): Thanks for the feedback on this.
Specific questions about crowdsourceability (and rating it) is a great idea. On one hand it'll be sad to see some ideas not get submitted (in that some are good but not easy to crowdsource), but I'd rather sacrifice a few good ideas to help narrow the focus of our site, and make the criteria easier to articulate.
The Smile Project - Somehow I see a discussion framework on top of Flickr photos tagged with smile. (Flickr has great APIs.)
Saigon said...
While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize any idea here it such more saddening people promote an agenda via their position and powerful tool.
Our agenda is having a fun site where people can collaborate on refining and implementing interesting ideas.
A future of TeeWrapz! caliber ideas is not what I'm going to spend my life facilitating. If Cambrian House has to choose between a future of inferior ideas and shutting the site down, we will shut the site down.
Showcasing those oneliner supporter was such a malicious cheap shot against the author and those who believe in the idea!
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
Gord additional bashing didnt help much to give fair assesement too.Was the similar quoted idea so stupid to being in the business for over 30 years?.. did you guys never heard market taste and product life cycle?
I would be happy to see TeeWrapz! succeed. Go for it! Best of luck.
I wonder If someone reinvent paper clip and fastener and win in the Ideawarz coming from native North-am would get the same bashing.
Hard to say. Because a re-invented paper clip has not yet won IdeaWarz.
Oh am sure, someone would give me a spit to opined again to pack my things and go somewhere...well why dont this guys do the same thing..go to the mountain and do another CH like site with only their own pre-selected members strutting their great minds and infallible judgement.
What is collective intelligence if the powerful elite dominates and used their position to assert their maligned afterthoughts? Why dont we simply be matured enough and forge an intelligent collaboration instead?
All the collaborative mechanisms of Cambrian House are at your disposal. Joyce has won 100 Cambros. I have not disabled any accounts. Everyone who thought TeeWrapz! was a good idea can get cracking.
I got to be brave and true on this one...before i hit the golf ball few minutes from now.
Thanks for not disabling my account!
*pulls pin, throws and runs*
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true_daniel
Member since: Jun 26, 2007 Rank: Merchant (39 Posts) |
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Thank you CH for featuring me on that video..i had my few secs of fame!
Enjoy mob hunting
*running*
Enjoy mob hunting
*running*
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 6:05 am saigon said:
A weekly tournament with an average of 20 ideas now and about 50 early adopter voters surely will have this kind of pitfall.
While I can't really agree with most of what Saigon says, this really is a good point. The participation is low in voting and so even a moderate level of promotion with an average idea can make it a winner.
I also don't know why "the crowd" was thrown under the bus when the small crowd is really the problem. Blue's definition defines crowdsourcing as "generally large group of people." I don't think we quite constitute that.
I'd also throw into the fray, that most of the active users on the site have thrown in their best ideas and we're not going to get many more good ideas out of those that are already participating. I wonder if starting to build some of these ideas (like I'm doing) won't spur innovation and other ideas which will become game changing (see Youtube amongst others which I can't remember now).
gord said:
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
I think it's not quite in context to say that they gamed you. I believe gaming requires them to do something that violates a rule or law. They didn't as far as I know. In fact, they did what has been promoted and rewarded, promote their idea and CH. Did they possibly exploit a flawed system for 100 Cambros? Quite possibly.
It's interesting that CH has come from MJ wanting every and any idea listed on CH to now only wanting ideas that fit a certain model. Something for which was suggested near the beginning. I'm all for this type of filering of ideas to those relevant to crowdsourcing and technology. Once we have the crowdsourcing technology down, then move on to other types of crowdsourcing.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 6:05 am saigon said:
A weekly tournament with an average of 20 ideas now and about 50 early adopter voters surely will have this kind of pitfall.
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
While I can't really agree with most of what Saigon says, this really is a good point. The participation is low in voting and so even a moderate level of promotion with an average idea can make it a winner.
I don't think anyone is doubting this but I also don't think it's the real problem (it just makes it more difficult to combat the issue). Recent comments are more focused on instigating cultural/attitudinal change amongst the crowd for the better of the site.
My view is that it shouldn't matter how many people are voting so long as they're assessing an idea on its merits and relevance to CH, in an unbiased manner (the two criteria go hand in hand). What we see every now and then is a significant skewing of something that would normally dwell below the surface. A popularity contest takes place in which people ignore all the normal criteria upon which they would assess an idea.
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
I'd also throw into the fray, that most of the active users on the site have thrown in their best ideas and we're not going to get many more good ideas out of those that are already participating.
Big call! I'd like to think I can still come up with some more ideas prior to me shuffling off this mortal coil.
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
gord said:
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
I think it's not quite in context to say that they gamed you. I believe gaming requires them to do something that violates a rule or law.
Rules can be written and unwritten. In CH's case, I think a lot are unwritten and are only picked up by spending a lot of time on CH, reading posts and following CH staffer blogs. I think CH needs to work on extracting and articulating the CH guiding principles. That way even new comers can get off to a flying start.
It's such a no-brainer to say to people that CH is not a place to vote for your mates, so this should be front and centre in the idea creation stages and voting stages of the site.
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 9:10 pm siddey said:
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
I'd also throw into the fray, that most of the active users on the site have thrown in their best ideas and we're not going to get many more good ideas out of those that are already participating.
Big call! I'd like to think I can still come up with some more ideas prior to me shuffling off this mortal coil.
I'm not saying that long time CHers can't come up with more ideas. Certainly we could all think up a zillion ideas. However, a big part of this thread is about executing an idea. Do you really think that you could come up with a more compelling idea that you could execute any better than the ideas you've already submitted. (I'm using you to mean anyone on CH) I guess it's possible, but I think pretty unlikely. The fact is that until we do something about some of these ideas we won't know if we're sitting on a gold field or clay.
I think there's a rather large feeling that once you win an idea warz tournament that "the crowd" will help carry you to executing an idea. Maybe my ideas suck, but even with me paying cambros I can barely get people in CH to work on ideas. Everyone seems to want to work on their own and very few work on other ideas. So people should know that winning the tournament means you're going to have to execute the idea if you want it to be successful. People aren't going to execute it for you and I haven't heard of anyone buying your Idea Warz champion idea in the bazaar. That leaves you with 100 cambros. Maybe that's why you joined CH, but I know I joined for the possibility of something much bigger.
There are exceptions to people helping on others ideas and I hope this mentality will continue to change over time. However, the site was designed to create this mentality and the original designers should be applauded since that was the original purpose. However, times have changed and if we want to get any projects done on CH, then we're going to have to figure out how to mobilize the crowd yourself.</ rant>
Geez, I'm starting to sound like CC, complaining about lack of people working to execute ideas.
One last thought, my personal hope is to help break through this mentality by having a profitable idea that people will want to participate in. I guess we'll see if actual revenue and profits will be enough to motivate people to participate in an idea. I'm determined to find out.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Still working right now to make one of them materialize
Looking back a team of eager people would have made things easier. When there is only one or two people on a "team" all sorts of life's speed bumps can get in the way and criple a project. A team environment is essential to getting these ideas moving with any kind real momentum.
Does anyone have any suggestions for building and keeping functioning teams within our geographically dispersed and varied skill set community?
Looking back a team of eager people would have made things easier. When there is only one or two people on a "team" all sorts of life's speed bumps can get in the way and criple a project. A team environment is essential to getting these ideas moving with any kind real momentum.
Does anyone have any suggestions for building and keeping functioning teams within our geographically dispersed and varied skill set community?
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On October 28, 2007, 1:24 am ccozad said:
Still working right now to make one of them materialize
Looking back a team of eager people would have made things easier. When there is only one or two people on a "team" all sorts of life's speed bumps can get in the way and criple a project. A team environment is essential to getting these ideas moving with any kind real momentum.
I'm working on creating that team. We're 3 now and my latest idea is to have a big CH team work day where hopefully we can accomplish a lot and possibly create interest in more people that don't know what we're working on. I guess we'll see how good I am at recruiting people. Plus, I'm trying to figure out the economics of it all. Possibly cash prizes to the people who do the most.
Does anyone have any suggestions for building and keeping functioning teams within our geographically dispersed and varied skill set community?
I actually just created a post that points to a similar question, Why aren't people participating in ideas?
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 3:22 pm ccozad said:
Could be referring to this....
http://www.cambrianhouse.com/forums/topic/idea-brainstorming/1873/
Coozad,
Your link refering to my call to CH/Jasmine was the hour prior to Mid-day cutoff of an Ideawarz(1am Manila time)...this was when i had photo-finish race to Fish99's idea.
I don't want to recall this anymore but i guess its about time since the issue circle on the same matter. I was complaining/asking Jasmine if CH is doing anything about the obvious negative voting on the last hour while propelling Fish's idea to overtake me. She simply said its a normal Wednesday cutoff voting activity and they dont see anything wrong about it even coming to same IP address (a topic subsequently open up by Joyce).I was so dissapointed that the very thing were trying to avoid -last minute negative voting and flooding of new members to vote- is happening again under (CH) cold shoulder. Sure i made some litany going back to what happen to my early experience against Fossiloflife, Jasmine seems not interested and simply says its me who doesnt listen when its clearly a double standard am experiencing that night. However there was this odd thing Jasmine offered to me. Since it was the last day of Weekly IDeawarz before TOC begin she told me she can SWAP my Exceptional Universal Site to my IPEG idea instead. This i said NO, i deemed its definitely a possible fiasco and an issue vary anti WOC considering its has no precedence and for me a betrayal of trust from those who voted for EUS+. Though i wish my 2 ideas are in TOC on their own winning merits not because of under the table agreement. I ended the call going into the motion of last minutes jitters of how voting would end.
I lose by a hairline, in the spirit of sportsmanship i licked my wound-congratulate d Fish99- and went on my way to develop more ideas. Nobody question of mob rule that time though JOyce's question the real winner because of the stat shows misleading result (same score result).
Fastforward, JOYCE'S IDEA came on top last week leading from wire to wire -so to speak- with few negative comments she finish the week with interested business partners(now team members) coming in 3 corners of the globe. Blue coming from her out of town business sorty arrived smoking like a junk yard dog...not contended to forum posting went on video show her legendary antics and blasted Joyce idea ala Howard Stern bombasting its : "Freaking Dumbest idea " *
-this is what am referring to be the most unintelligent words i ever heard...-
On October 27, 2007, 3:06 pm Darlinlilred said:
On October 27, 2007, 12:20 pm Blue said:
I have the most unintelligent word Saigon has ever heard or read!
Dear Saigon,
The next time you call my cell phone when you are drunk and it is the middle of the night where you are, I'll show you what unintelligent words are.
Have a great day,
Sarah Blue
I seriously hope that Saigon calling Blue is a joke...
Perhaps its Blue who is making a mountain out of a mole hill... i made the call not knowing its her cellular phone under two different time zone (1AM here 12NOON in Alberta)i would be unprofessional if i'll disturbed her by dawn if i will call her day time in the Philippines ..its purely a business call -me inquiring my (cambros) check whereabouts- after several email respondent...its just purely coincidence that we have a party in the neighborhood.
Am sorry of my ignorance if i failed to realized CH installed a voice/alcohol level analyzer to determine if caller(s) are drunk! Good Lord we 3rd world countries are really behind on technology... But i can swear over my petdog's grave that device is not working.
Go figure
Peace be with you!
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
...It's interesting that CH has come from MJ wanting every and any idea listed on CH to now only wanting ideas that fit a certain model. Something for which was suggested near the beginning. I'm all for this type of filering of ideas to those relevant to crowdsourcing and technology. Once we have the crowdsourcing technology down, then move on to other types of crowdsourcing.
Observed the same way..and agrees with Techguy in major points! Something like what was submitted/suggested before CHinvention.com
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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On October 28, 2007, 7:38 am saigon said:
Blue coming from her out of town business sorty arrived smoking like a junk yard dog...not contended to forum posting went on video show her legendary antics
On October 27, 2007, 3:06 pm Darlinlilred said:
On October 27, 2007, 12:20 pm Blue said:
I have the most unintelligent word Saigon has ever heard or read!
Dear Saigon,
The next time you call my cell phone when you are drunk and it is the middle of the night where you are, I'll show you what unintelligent words are.
Have a great day,
Sarah Blue
I seriously hope that Saigon calling Blue is a joke...
Perhaps its Blue who is making a mountain out of a mole hill... i made the call not knowing its her cellular phone under two different time zone (1AM here 12NOON in Alberta)i would be unprofessional if i'll disturbed her by dawn if i will call her day time in the Philippines ..its purely a business call -me inquiring my (cambros) check whereabouts- after several email respondent...its just purely coincidence that we have a party in the neighborhood.
Am sorry of my ignorance if i failed to realized CH installed a voice/alcohol level analyzer to determine if caller(s) are drunk! Good Lord we 3rd world countries are really behind on technology... But i can swear over my petdog's grave that device is not working.
Go figure
Peace be with you!
Haha, whatever, you were drunk. You said you were drunk, you posted in the forums that you were drunk and I sat on the phone listening to you politely.
Thank you for saying my antics are legendary and that I smoke like a junk yard dog!
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 9:10 pm siddey said:
On October 27, 2007, 7:19 pm techguy said:
gord said:
I was mean about it because I don't like being gamed. You have been members of the Cambrian House community long enough to know how pointless it is to recruit friends and family to vote up your idea.
I think it's not quite in context to say that they gamed you. I believe gaming requires them to do something that violates a rule or law.
Rules can be written and unwritten. In CH's case, I think a lot are unwritten and are only picked up by spending a lot of time on CH, reading posts and following CH staffer blogs. I think CH needs to work on extracting and articulating the CH guiding principles. That way even new comers can get off to a flying start.
It's such a no-brainer to say to people that CH is not a place to vote for your mates, so this should be front and centre in the idea creation stages and voting stages of the site.
...i made it a point to consult this guys before..when my other idea (EUS+) is on the run, i emailed Blue/Hal et al regarding possible backlash of same IP address under my university would be read in the wrong context..BLue says its fine..Gord would not step in as long as its not as fishy as what happened before(i.e.Tergwin, fossiloflife?)
Sure i did invited my colleagues because my ideas is something they understand more (read: likeminded) the merit of my idea.
Crowdsourcing 101
Join the Cambrian House Community to connect with like-minded members and befriend people who have skills or resources you’re looking for to execute your ideas.
I dont want to spoil your Sunday but who gamed who? HOw it works
Members new or not participated in honing Joyce's idea though its more of a physical idea and almost "done" the voting crowd present on that week (say 100 out of 17k members)made their share of approval/dissaproval by votes and any comment that come to their mind..though i wish they opined to alter the design and made several more additional feature and marketing tips that is not in anyone control even if Joyce beg for more juicy comments. The process was and is to the spirit and letter of what crowdsourcing is all about- its not her fault if the luminaries here ignored it in dislke-...the IDEA is on the next stage collaborating with its team members.
I dont want to sound another broken record (i hear you mumbling) but i accept our personal opinion differs but less we forget we have responsibilites too. WE should remember your own parent's values shared to us (thanks Blue for the reminder). I am a professional license educator (with 14yrs of marketing/management exp) and i know when and where a situation needs a scrupulous reason to rant.
Posted: October 28, 2007, 11:45 am Blue said:
Haha, whatever, you were drunk. You said you were drunk, you posted in the forums that you were drunk and I sat on the phone listening to you politely.
Thank you for saying my antics are legendary and that I smoke like a junk yard dog!
Youre welcome
Enjoy the out door today!
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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On October 28, 2007, 12:37 pm saigon said:
I dont want to sound another broken record (i hear you mumbling) but i accept our personal opinion differs but less we forget we have responsibilites too. WE should remember your own parent's values shared to us (thanks Blue for the reminder). I am a professional license educator (with 14yrs of marketing/management exp) and i know when and where a situation needs a scrupulous reason to rant.
Saigon you should really check out RHF you would fit in really really well there.
Ahhh it's fun to be back!
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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Eww that stare Darlinglilred...you make me nervous! 
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CyberCerberus
Member since: Jul 6, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1181 Posts) |
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Somewhere in this thread has GOT to be the "lamest post of the week" for the upcoming account cancellation.
I would beware, too, because word has it that Blue has recently come into possession of a Voodoo Doll.
I would beware, too, because word has it that Blue has recently come into possession of a Voodoo Doll.
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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On October 28, 2007, 3:45 pm CyberCerberus said:
Somewhere in this thread has GOT to be the "lamest post of the week" for the upcoming account cancellation.
I would beware, too, because word has it that Blue has recently come into possession of a Voodoo Doll.
Careful CyberCerebus I just figured out who you are on facebook now :p I saw that voodoo doll!
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CyberCerberus
Member since: Jul 6, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1181 Posts) |
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On October 28, 2007, 4:29 pm darlinglilred said:
On October 28, 2007, 3:45 pm CyberCerberus said:
Somewhere in this thread has GOT to be the "lamest post of the week" for the upcoming account cancellation.
I would beware, too, because word has it that Blue has recently come into possession of a Voodoo Doll.
Careful CyberCerebus I just figured out who you are on facebook now :p I saw that voodoo doll!
Hehe no need for me to be careful--I'm happily open about who I am.
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hichriso
Member since: Oct 13, 2007 Rank: Peasant (6 Posts) |
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Wow,
I have been in business now for about 12 years and have been in my own businesses and the Corporate worlds as well. I have had great bosses and bad ones, strong staff and ones that struggle.
... but what I have NEVER seen or even heard of is staff from a company actually attacking, threatening and even worse putting down the ideas/thoughts clients have put forth.
I am new to this site and have looked around it, put in an idea...yes, I know it did not win. Thats the breaks, I understand, but I have to give you guys some business marketing 101 advise...You are in business for your customers, NOT yourselves. If they don't come you have no business.
If you have someone take the time to put forward an idea that you don't like, say Thanks for the idea and the time you put into our site. THANK YOU for trusting us with your idea....then say, one thing that may take you ideas to the next level is our idea of crowdsourcing. We feel it is the next vision of success for business and we honestly feel that if you could move this idea, or future ideas, to a place that could use crowdsourceing you can take them to the next level of success. Please let us know if we can help you out with this our anything else...
Whether you like it or not, when people join this site they begin to own it as well. Yes, you guys pay the bills, you build and tweak the software, we understand that, but with out the crowd and ideas...what is it??
I was angry when I saw how you went after Joyce's idea, she won. People used the tools YOU gave them, and they win. IF it does not work change it. But NEVER go after the clients/customers/members, it is simply and utterly unprofessional.
This also includes going after a member on line for whether he called you, he got the number from someone, the upset conversation should be with the person who gave it to him. If you are upset at someone and you are speaking as someone that is part of or represents the business, shut up... it makes the whole company look unprofessional.
If you guys are not interested in the things (good and bad) that are going to come from opening this site up to the entire world...then maybe as Gord said you should shut this site down.
Who says whether these ideas will work or not, have you done studies, focus groups, how the heck do you know. You are specialists in your areas and speak from those strengths. You idea has the ability to bring multiple disciplines to the table to give their 2 cents worth about an idea and even help it.
As someone who is in Marketing & Customer Relations and deals with countless upset people a day for a multibillion dollar industry... please have someone who knows Public Affairs represent your company online you might stop wondering why your loosing people and worse participation
I have been in business now for about 12 years and have been in my own businesses and the Corporate worlds as well. I have had great bosses and bad ones, strong staff and ones that struggle.
... but what I have NEVER seen or even heard of is staff from a company actually attacking, threatening and even worse putting down the ideas/thoughts clients have put forth.
I am new to this site and have looked around it, put in an idea...yes, I know it did not win. Thats the breaks, I understand, but I have to give you guys some business marketing 101 advise...You are in business for your customers, NOT yourselves. If they don't come you have no business.
If you have someone take the time to put forward an idea that you don't like, say Thanks for the idea and the time you put into our site. THANK YOU for trusting us with your idea....then say, one thing that may take you ideas to the next level is our idea of crowdsourcing. We feel it is the next vision of success for business and we honestly feel that if you could move this idea, or future ideas, to a place that could use crowdsourceing you can take them to the next level of success. Please let us know if we can help you out with this our anything else...
Whether you like it or not, when people join this site they begin to own it as well. Yes, you guys pay the bills, you build and tweak the software, we understand that, but with out the crowd and ideas...what is it??
I was angry when I saw how you went after Joyce's idea, she won. People used the tools YOU gave them, and they win. IF it does not work change it. But NEVER go after the clients/customers/members, it is simply and utterly unprofessional.
This also includes going after a member on line for whether he called you, he got the number from someone, the upset conversation should be with the person who gave it to him. If you are upset at someone and you are speaking as someone that is part of or represents the business, shut up... it makes the whole company look unprofessional.
If you guys are not interested in the things (good and bad) that are going to come from opening this site up to the entire world...then maybe as Gord said you should shut this site down.
Who says whether these ideas will work or not, have you done studies, focus groups, how the heck do you know. You are specialists in your areas and speak from those strengths. You idea has the ability to bring multiple disciplines to the table to give their 2 cents worth about an idea and even help it.
As someone who is in Marketing & Customer Relations and deals with countless upset people a day for a multibillion dollar industry... please have someone who knows Public Affairs represent your company online you might stop wondering why your loosing people and worse participation
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micco
Member since: Mar 28, 2007 Rank: Warrior (233 Posts) |
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I think this whole situation is predictable and expected given the situation at CH. As much as I sympathize with Gord and Blue's frustration when things don't run as smoothly as they should, they have the control to prevent it and should have seen it coming.
First, voting is broken and pointless. This has been discussed for months (months! scale that in Internet-time for ogg's sake). People have been complaining about voting blocs and last-minute recruitment for a long time. Nothing has been done to fix it. Members should continue to complain about it, but the people who run CH should either fix it or live with it. Personally, I haven't bothered to vote in a long time because it's clearly pointless. I really enjoy browsing the ideas, trying to add comments where I think I can contribute, and seeing how things evolve. But voting is clearly a waste of time because the system is broken.
Second, I also understand how frustrating it is for CH to have ideas that can't be crowdsourced take up space on a crowdsourcing site. But if you want to limit ideas to things that are legitimately crowdsourcable, then build that into the idea submission. Force idea contributors to answer specific questions about how the crowd will be used and how they fit your definition of "suitable". If you have a section of the idea submission where the submitter specifically addresses how crowdsourcing will contribute, then you can simply disqualify ideas that don't include a legitimate crowdsourcing element. Or pre-qualify ideas so they have to meet some basic threshold of "good idea" before entering an Ideawarz. CH controls the system; if you don't like the ideas that are being submitted, adjust the system to favor the type of idea you want.
Last, broaden your definition of what crowdsourcing entails. I believe it can involve more than just putting a big crowd of people to work on some menial task. I believe it can mean providing a diverse crowd so an idea submitter can find one single uniquely-qualified collaborator that can help them bring off a plan. If CH can connect Joyce to a single designer who can turn her idea into a real product design then the crowd has done its job. If it connects her to a single manufacturer with capacity to produce her product, it's worked. I don't know what she specifically needs, but I don't think the fact that she's not going to "employ" dozens of CH members in producing her idea necessarily disqualifies it from crowdsourcing. You could choose to use a definition of crowdsourcing that says that it's not crowdsourcing unless the entire crowd goes to work on it and builds it. If that's your choice, then CH should simply make that clear and build it into the system that other ideas are excluded. But be aware that a lot of the software and website ideas would be excluded on those same criteria because they may be looking for just one or two techies to build a product/site and not need the "crowd" anymore than TeeWrapz! does.
I understand the frustration that led to the blogs by Gord and Blue. I agree that TeeWrapz! is a pretty silly and pointless idea. But if Joyce wants to spend her time on it, she might build a viable product, and if she can manipulate the CH system into supporting her, she's just using the tools you've given her. If CH doesn't like it, fix it. It's not like you didn't see this coming.
First, voting is broken and pointless. This has been discussed for months (months! scale that in Internet-time for ogg's sake). People have been complaining about voting blocs and last-minute recruitment for a long time. Nothing has been done to fix it. Members should continue to complain about it, but the people who run CH should either fix it or live with it. Personally, I haven't bothered to vote in a long time because it's clearly pointless. I really enjoy browsing the ideas, trying to add comments where I think I can contribute, and seeing how things evolve. But voting is clearly a waste of time because the system is broken.
Second, I also understand how frustrating it is for CH to have ideas that can't be crowdsourced take up space on a crowdsourcing site. But if you want to limit ideas to things that are legitimately crowdsourcable, then build that into the idea submission. Force idea contributors to answer specific questions about how the crowd will be used and how they fit your definition of "suitable". If you have a section of the idea submission where the submitter specifically addresses how crowdsourcing will contribute, then you can simply disqualify ideas that don't include a legitimate crowdsourcing element. Or pre-qualify ideas so they have to meet some basic threshold of "good idea" before entering an Ideawarz. CH controls the system; if you don't like the ideas that are being submitted, adjust the system to favor the type of idea you want.
Last, broaden your definition of what crowdsourcing entails. I believe it can involve more than just putting a big crowd of people to work on some menial task. I believe it can mean providing a diverse crowd so an idea submitter can find one single uniquely-qualified collaborator that can help them bring off a plan. If CH can connect Joyce to a single designer who can turn her idea into a real product design then the crowd has done its job. If it connects her to a single manufacturer with capacity to produce her product, it's worked. I don't know what she specifically needs, but I don't think the fact that she's not going to "employ" dozens of CH members in producing her idea necessarily disqualifies it from crowdsourcing. You could choose to use a definition of crowdsourcing that says that it's not crowdsourcing unless the entire crowd goes to work on it and builds it. If that's your choice, then CH should simply make that clear and build it into the system that other ideas are excluded. But be aware that a lot of the software and website ideas would be excluded on those same criteria because they may be looking for just one or two techies to build a product/site and not need the "crowd" anymore than TeeWrapz! does.
I understand the frustration that led to the blogs by Gord and Blue. I agree that TeeWrapz! is a pretty silly and pointless idea. But if Joyce wants to spend her time on it, she might build a viable product, and if she can manipulate the CH system into supporting her, she's just using the tools you've given her. If CH doesn't like it, fix it. It's not like you didn't see this coming.
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Literate_saint
Member since: Jun 27, 2007 Rank: Merchant (12 Posts) |
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On October 28, 2007, 12:44 pm darlinglilred said:
On October 28, 2007, 12:37 pm saigon said:
I dont want to sound another broken record (i hear you mumbling) but i accept our personal opinion differs but less we forget we have responsibilites too. WE should remember your own parent's values shared to us (thanks Blue for the reminder). I am a professional license educator (with 14yrs of marketing/management exp) and i know when and where a situation needs a scrupulous reason to rant.
Saigon you should really check out RHF you would fit in really really well there.
Ahhh it's fun to be back!
darlinglilred,
Could you help me reviewing my stocks of acronyms list for RHF?
RHF Radio High Frequency
RHF Rec.humor.funny (newsgroup)
RHF Red Horse Flight
RHF Redhead Factor
RHF Remote Handling Facility
RHF Requisition History File
RHF Residence Hall Federation
RHF Restricted Hartree-Fock
RHF Retired Healthy and Free
RHF Retirement Housing Foundation (Long Beach, California)
RHF Right Heart Failure (medical)
RHF Royal Highland Fusiliers
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too bad i think am staying too much on my clinic!
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 10:09 am Literate_saint said:
darlinglilred,
Could you help me reviewing my stocks of acronyms list for RHF?
RHF Radio High Frequency
RHF Rec.humor.funny (newsgroup)
RHF Red Horse Flight
RHF Redhead Factor
RHF Remote Handling Facility
RHF Requisition History File
RHF Residence Hall Federation
RHF Restricted Hartree-Fock
RHF Retired Healthy and Free
RHF Retirement Housing Foundation (Long Beach, California)
RHF Right Heart Failure (medical)
RHF Royal Highland Fusiliers
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RHF stands for RobinHoodFund, a site owned by CH. It's infamous for drama, infighting and people who sound like broken records whining about how unfair everything is.
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Literate_saint
Member since: Jun 27, 2007 Rank: Merchant (12 Posts) |
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I seldom throw my hat into the ring... but how about sobriety and maturity check?
I dont mean now, but on the course of everything we do when emotions and personal feelings get on our way. The source of this thread and foregoing issue seems originated from two camps of interesting profile tandem. A witty multi-talented duo from CH and a business sweet alliance of an Joyce & Saigon.
I believe if CH had a weekly magazine issue composed of level minded and neutral editorial staff Gord & Blue's blogpost is a complete No no or at least they could escaped with more respect that tomatoes. Incidentally if a good jury system in selecting a good idea form final list based on standing criteria Joyce IDEA would at least got good ratings but not the 100cambros due to technicality.
The later is doable based on crowd approval but the the first item of censorship or responsible self check from the opinionated host/hostess must be CH's full initiative.
For now APOLOGY is worth's one salt to provide real sense and sensibility to all of us.
I dont mean now, but on the course of everything we do when emotions and personal feelings get on our way. The source of this thread and foregoing issue seems originated from two camps of interesting profile tandem. A witty multi-talented duo from CH and a business sweet alliance of an Joyce & Saigon.
I believe if CH had a weekly magazine issue composed of level minded and neutral editorial staff Gord & Blue's blogpost is a complete No no or at least they could escaped with more respect that tomatoes. Incidentally if a good jury system in selecting a good idea form final list based on standing criteria Joyce IDEA would at least got good ratings but not the 100cambros due to technicality.
The later is doable based on crowd approval but the the first item of censorship or responsible self check from the opinionated host/hostess must be CH's full initiative.
For now APOLOGY is worth's one salt to provide real sense and sensibility to all of us.
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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On October 28, 2007, 9:04 pm hichriso said:
As someone who is in Marketing & Customer Relations and deals with countless upset people a day for a multibillion dollar industry... please have someone who knows Public Affairs represent your company online you might stop wondering why your loosing people and worse participation
Hi hichriso,
Thank you for taking the time to give us some advice, I know you are probably pretty busy trying to get your own site launched, so it is much appreciated.
For those in the community, hichriso is an expert in this field, you can check out his website (on his profile page) at http://www.mercopia.com.*
Again, I am disappointed in the community, not in Joyce. How do you plan to handle situations like this when your idea co-op launches? Do you have Angels or VCs that will fund ideas? Will they fund an idea like TeeWrapz because the community has spoken? For us, the 100Cambros isn't really a big deal, because a)it is only $100 and b)we know that people will put it to good use. I'm curious to read your thoughts about this.
If Joyce wants to go ahead and work on TeeWrapz, she has my blessing. If she can find others to work on it with her, even better! I hope it is successful. My issue comes with the community.
Having said that, people bring up a good point. We know that voting on our current site is broken, so should we really be surprised at the outcome? We are working hard on CH3.0 and wanted to keep this site up, but on life support, so everyone would at least have a place to come and discuss their ideas and continue working on their current projects. Should we just dispence with IdeaWarz altogether for now? Keep it as is and pretend to not be disappointed?
Looking forward to hearing opinions on this,
Blue
*As I was typing this, you removed this link from your profile, I'm not sure why. Let me know if you aren't there anymore!
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 10:29 am Literate_saint said:
I believe if CH had a weekly magazine issue composed of level minded and neutral editorial staff Gord & Blue's blogpost is a complete No no or at least they could escaped with more respect that tomatoes. Incidentally if a good jury system in selecting a good idea form final list based on standing criteria Joyce IDEA would at least got good ratings but not the 100cambros due to technicality.
The later is doable based on crowd approval but the the first item of censorship or responsible self check from the opinionated host/hostess must be CH's full initiative.
For now APOLOGY is worth's one salt to provide real sense and sensibility to all of us.
If Gord and I were neutral, along with everyone else in the forums, what would we have to discuss?
Give me a break guys, Utopia is boring. These discussions and opinions help us all flush out amazing things.
You betcha I bolded all of that.
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CyberCerberus
Member since: Jul 6, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1181 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 10:29 am Literate_saint said:
For now APOLOGY is worth's one salt to provide real sense and sensibility to all of us.
Oh no. Here we go again.
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 11:38 am CyberCerberus said:
On October 29, 2007, 10:29 am Literate_saint said:
For now APOLOGY is worth's one salt to provide real sense and sensibility to all of us.
Oh no. Here we go again.
LOL agreed.
I apologize for even reading that part!
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 8:50 am micco said:
I think this whole situation is predictable and expected given the situation at CH. As much as I sympathize with Gord and Blue's frustration when things don't run as smoothly as they should, they have the control to prevent it and should have seen it coming.
I understand the frustration that led to the blogs by Gord and Blue. I agree that TeeWrapz! is a pretty silly and pointless idea. But if Joyce wants to spend her time on it, she might build a viable product, and if she can manipulate the CH system into supporting her, she's just using the tools you've given her. If CH doesn't like it, fix it. It's not like you didn't see this coming.
Yes, fixing it. Yes, saw it coming.
Literate_saint~
For now APOLOGY is worth's one salt to provide real sense and sensibility to all of us.
Oh that's fine, I'm not expecting an apology from anyone. No worries!
Blue~
Should we just dispense with IdeaWarz altogether for now? Keep it as is and pretend to not be disappointed?
My incentive for continuing IdeaWarz competitions are:
1 - I think the easier-to-participate processes on our site help generate traffic, and the traffic is needed to help facilitate implementation of ideas.
2 - It forces activity on our end, so CH must keep on top of discussions and ideas on current site.
3 - CH credibility as a "crowdsourcing company", lack of which would impact development of CH 3.0.
Reason #1 is something the community might want to comment on. If your idea has won IW, (or if you're in the process of trying to crowdsource it), you might feel slighted that YOU have put in the time and energy to promote your idea, and that WE respond by taking down the site. But if bad ideas were to win IW from this point forward, it is unlikely to help inspire crowdsourcing activity.
Does the community have any point-blank advice aside from (the very important) WOC mechanisms that need improvement? Like "take it down and let us know when 3.0 is live" or "kill IdeaWarz videos they're a waste of time" or "try a more hands-off approach" or "how about more Cambros".
Or "more cowbell".
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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Gordon,
I like to think of we-we not you-we.
Gordon and Blue
I come from a country where people are famous for being blunt. Some find that refreshing (no my words, an american friend) others find it simply unpolite. Still even I found your words on the t-shirt wrapper harsh. C’est le ton qui fait la musique and you must think over what goal you want to reach.
I think the whole community is on your site when it comes to improving the quality of the ideas, I think I didn't give any idea 5 points this week. Try to focus on that.
Tommy
I like to think of we-we not you-we.
Gordon and Blue
I come from a country where people are famous for being blunt. Some find that refreshing (no my words, an american friend) others find it simply unpolite. Still even I found your words on the t-shirt wrapper harsh. C’est le ton qui fait la musique and you must think over what goal you want to reach.
I think the whole community is on your site when it comes to improving the quality of the ideas, I think I didn't give any idea 5 points this week. Try to focus on that.
Tommy
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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I think it would be cool to see the ideas people have given four and five stars on their profiles. "I think these ideas can really make it..."
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mswayne
Member since: Nov 20, 2006 Rank: Warrior (141 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 6:29 pm ccozad said:
I think it would be cool to see the ideas people have given four and five stars on their profiles. "I think these ideas can really make it..."
Interesting.
Would this be retroactive? I mean, there wouldn't be any chance of Sweet Nuts showing up on my profile now, would there?
Hypothetically speaking.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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lol
I would think that it would be going forward.... Then new people joining the site can see the types of ideas people like.
I would think that it would be going forward.... Then new people joining the site can see the types of ideas people like.
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LarsBell
Member since: Aug 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (83 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 5:37 pm GordonMcDowell said:
Or "more cowbell".
I could use a little more cowbell.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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I'd just like to know when CH 3.0 is coming.
I'd also like to know whether it will still be beige - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beige
or will you expand into other colour horizons. - just kidding. Brown is good.
I'd also like to know whether it will still be beige - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beige
or will you expand into other colour horizons.
- just kidding. Brown is good.
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 6:29 pm ccozad said:
I think it would be cool to see the ideas people have given four and five stars on their profiles. "I think these ideas can really make it..."
Well that a nice addition..at least people (or CH) can view who did support who. I for for one did supported Hospital Connection, CHessphere, Worldrun, RAGS, and countless other that seems a turn-off on someone nose.
But on the contrary this would be the same on butchering the vote that would moecked its sanctity?
Now am gettin confused!
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On October 26, 2007, 12:38 pm GordonMcDowell said:
The corresponding blog post further illustrates our frustrations, and my distrust of dairy products.
Well... average dictionary(like ave men) would pronounced Feng Shui as: /ˈfʌŋ ˈʃweɪ/ [fuhng shwey]
Half the world would appreciate this more if the correct regional usage will be used: FAWNG SOY /'fong sooy (pong suy?)
..this one is from a Chinese Professor (Fulbright Scholar).
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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I have an idea what about adverts?
Like the size of the Google Adsense Half Banner (234x60) or Button (125x125). Use the money to fund the good CH ideas and get some businesses started. I am sick of having to see ideas, where are the businesses.
Have something smaller like a simple idea contest. Limit ideas to only websites that can start up with 10-pages or less. That way people will get creative, but keep it real.
We won't have to worry about the idea being done so much. Because the project is smaller we don't have to invest a lot of time and try and be the top dog.
For example:
Big Bad idea: Lets make a great search engine to search the entire web.
But, Google, Ask, Yahoo, Msn, etc... all ready have great search tools. There is no way CH can get this far off the ground. It would take to much time and too much work.
Small Good idea: Lets make a great search engine just for searching- Plastic Collectible Art Toys.
We can make this idea even though Google, Ask, Yahoo, Msn and all the rest can search the web. Because we can make it extremely good at just searching that one thing. This idea takes a lot less time and work. We are not trying to search for everything just this one thing.
Like the size of the Google Adsense Half Banner (234x60) or Button (125x125). Use the money to fund the good CH ideas and get some businesses started. I am sick of having to see ideas, where are the businesses.
Have something smaller like a simple idea contest. Limit ideas to only websites that can start up with 10-pages or less. That way people will get creative, but keep it real.
We won't have to worry about the idea being done so much. Because the project is smaller we don't have to invest a lot of time and try and be the top dog.
For example:
Big Bad idea: Lets make a great search engine to search the entire web.
But, Google, Ask, Yahoo, Msn, etc... all ready have great search tools. There is no way CH can get this far off the ground. It would take to much time and too much work.
Small Good idea: Lets make a great search engine just for searching- Plastic Collectible Art Toys.
We can make this idea even though Google, Ask, Yahoo, Msn and all the rest can search the web. Because we can make it extremely good at just searching that one thing. This idea takes a lot less time and work. We are not trying to search for everything just this one thing.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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CH 3.0
It is just CH3 death too .0!
most of the active users on the site have thrown in their best ideas
Funny, my idea notebook says otherwise. I just don't have the time to post them and talk. One day I will see if I can post so many ideas they will need an IdeaWarz just for my ideas.
One false review from a heavy hitter on the site
Speaking as "heavy hitter" and Leaderboard user I have the power to make or break you. I do have magic powers unlike these muggles that call themselves CH users.
Because, think about it I have seen so many ideas I know how things work. My reviews can be trusted unlike anonymoususer74. I have seen what works and what will fail in CH. I know a good idea when I see one.
I do vote and comment vary harshly on most ideas. I am very pass fail.
When a high ranked member like myself or staff says positive things. You are going to see all of the following comments get more positive and votes go up. Because when we say good stuff people start to re-think things in a positive way.
They think why are these high ranked people voting for this idea. When they do that. (They are not no longer thinking only about your ideas problems. Also, they don't want to feel stupid and be the only one not knowing why the idea is great.)
Getting on my good side is going to help you.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Bravo.. perhaps even keep some of the cash for CH staffing. I still don't even really know how CH makes money..... all from RHF adsense?
On October 30, 2007, 12:32 am Kevin_Cox said:
I have an idea what about adverts?
Like the size of the Google Adsense Half Banner (234x60) or Button (125x125). Use the money to fund the good CH ideas and get some businesses started. I am sick of having to see ideas, where are the businesses.
Have something smaller like a simple idea contest. Limit ideas to only websites that can start up with 10-pages or less. That way people will get creative, but keep it real.
We won't have to worry about the idea being done so much. Because the project is smaller we don't have to invest a lot of time and try and be the top dog.
For example:
Big Bad idea: Lets make a great search engine to search the entire web.
But, Google, Ask, Yahoo, Msn, etc... all ready have great search tools. There is no way CH can get this far off the ground. It would take to much time and too much work.
Small Good idea: Lets make a great search engine just for searching- Plastic Collectible Art Toys.
We can make this idea even though Google, Ask, Yahoo, Msn and all the rest can search the web. Because we can make it extremely good at just searching that one thing. This idea takes a lot less time and work. We are not trying to search for everything just this one thing.
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White_Tulip
Member since: Jun 4, 2007 Rank: Merchant (44 Posts) |
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On October 30, 2007, 12:32 am Kevin_Cox said:
Small Good idea: Lets make a great search engine just for searching- Plastic Collectible Art Toys.
We can make this idea even though Google, Ask, Yahoo, Msn and all the rest can search the web. Because we can make it extremely good at just searching that one thing. This idea takes a lot less time and work. We are not trying to search for everything just this one thing.
Darn your sweet wicked thought Kevin. I like this!
Rather than building complex IDEAS and waiting for VC i believe it is more productive to find, develop and promote simple ideas that empower people and we can build up good successful stories (or hype this) that is also parallel to pending software ideas waiting to takeoff(or get noticed).
Am not a marketing savvy I'm not even a programmer. I cant define RSS feed nor what is AJAX means to my life but I think good attention and a track record of business coming from this site would be attract more people and right connections.
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White_Tulip
Member since: Jun 4, 2007 Rank: Merchant (44 Posts) |
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Now let me say my piece about Joyce's Teewrapz.
I remember one Speaker from Dept of Trade of Industry speaking before a large crowd of student leader way back. He was telling us of how simple ideas can make the world a better place.
I voted Teewrapz against other ideas on last round because its more practical and more doable than other's i dont even know how to pronounce nor guess the acronym. But i can understand how the odd can this Teewrapz be hard to digest for many people who have put some standard of their own.Simple ideas have a bad reputation. People often think simple ideas are simplistic: wrong, incomplete, inaccurate, misleading.
I agree that many simple ideas are no good, but many are quite useful. This is easy to overlook because complex, sophisticated systems of knowledge are thought to be better.Which remind me how ungrateful can great men and women on this site on the invention of the wheel. Ouch that a poor analogy i agree... But hey, if you are brave enough to criticise the analysis, a common response is that "you don't really understand." Occasionally some pearls of wisdom for activists come down from the great scholars. What is one to make of these, not really understanding where they came from? This is my exact fear when i first joined this and though am not WONDERWOMAN, and i remember only the nerd in my class can able to explain to us without sweating most ALGEBRA's problem.
Some idea here have the jargon that can be frightening enough on its own, and the ideas expressed by the jargon often do not make much sense to outsiders. Consider, for example, the following impressive sentence:
If CH thinks that crowdsourcing is intended for scientist and engineer and other technical specialist then thats probably 1 percent of the actual members currently listed. What i mean is simple ideas and associated actions should be the centrepiece, the foundation for business development that could work with CH. I think google was a simple idea carried into the storm of Internet. The goal should be to develop effective actions and simple, effective ideas to go along with them. Sophisticated IDEAS should be built up too in a way that is compatible with the simple ideas that spells profit in immediate future under collaborative mechanism under CH format.If we need to hammered it to details then lets join the fray but not in an abysmal one sided beat up in a medium like blogspot that lead to all intellectual discussion and ethics on to our knees. Look here, even the title of this topic lead me think that Blue is CH and she is ready to make a curse of pestilence for us mere mortals(pun intended).
Ok let me finish this to put her(& Gord) among most intellectuals here. Dont get misled just because I'm commenting on the value of simple ideas doesn't mean that what I have to say is simple itself and detest IPhone. I'm questioning the standard way of thinking about most favored ideas, I did my best to explain this. I'm convinced, think in terms of quite simple models... few ideas here express themselves equally simply, since that would undermine their credibility as sophisticated, even great, thinkers. Still i want to capitalize the simple idea like that of Joyce to make it work and let's appreciate it.
I remember one Speaker from Dept of Trade of Industry speaking before a large crowd of student leader way back. He was telling us of how simple ideas can make the world a better place.
I voted Teewrapz against other ideas on last round because its more practical and more doable than other's i dont even know how to pronounce nor guess the acronym. But i can understand how the odd can this Teewrapz be hard to digest for many people who have put some standard of their own.Simple ideas have a bad reputation. People often think simple ideas are simplistic: wrong, incomplete, inaccurate, misleading.
I agree that many simple ideas are no good, but many are quite useful. This is easy to overlook because complex, sophisticated systems of knowledge are thought to be better.Which remind me how ungrateful can great men and women on this site on the invention of the wheel. Ouch that a poor analogy i agree... But hey, if you are brave enough to criticise the analysis, a common response is that "you don't really understand." Occasionally some pearls of wisdom for activists come down from the great scholars. What is one to make of these, not really understanding where they came from? This is my exact fear when i first joined this and though am not WONDERWOMAN, and i remember only the nerd in my class can able to explain to us without sweating most ALGEBRA's problem.
Some idea here have the jargon that can be frightening enough on its own, and the ideas expressed by the jargon often do not make much sense to outsiders. Consider, for example, the following impressive sentence:
The Idea
I have created a web based video conferencing/meeting room software, I would like to make like salesforce.com where anyone can use the API and link in to use in there application or website or add to Facebook.
Would like to make it into a full web based software/organizer product.
Looking for a team.
PHP, MySQL and flash.
If CH thinks that crowdsourcing is intended for scientist and engineer and other technical specialist then thats probably 1 percent of the actual members currently listed. What i mean is simple ideas and associated actions should be the centrepiece, the foundation for business development that could work with CH. I think google was a simple idea carried into the storm of Internet. The goal should be to develop effective actions and simple, effective ideas to go along with them. Sophisticated IDEAS should be built up too in a way that is compatible with the simple ideas that spells profit in immediate future under collaborative mechanism under CH format.If we need to hammered it to details then lets join the fray but not in an abysmal one sided beat up in a medium like blogspot that lead to all intellectual discussion and ethics on to our knees. Look here, even the title of this topic lead me think that Blue is CH and she is ready to make a curse of pestilence for us mere mortals(pun intended).
Ok let me finish this to put her(& Gord) among most intellectuals here. Dont get misled just because I'm commenting on the value of simple ideas doesn't mean that what I have to say is simple itself and detest IPhone. I'm questioning the standard way of thinking about most favored ideas, I did my best to explain this. I'm convinced, think in terms of quite simple models... few ideas here express themselves equally simply, since that would undermine their credibility as sophisticated, even great, thinkers. Still i want to capitalize the simple idea like that of Joyce to make it work and let's appreciate it.
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fish99
Member since: Oct 27, 2006 Rank: Noble (98 Posts) |
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I agree with Kevin_Cox on most points here.
If you have an idea, keep it simple and doable without a 50 person development team.
Look for niches that have not been done.
If you do not have a lot of comments on your idea, it may not be a good idea. I do not have the time to comment on really bad ideas. If I really like something, I will comment on it. If there is an idea that might work with a twist, I will comment on the twist.
And Blue and Gord, do not be disheartened.... There is good stuff being done behind the scenes on many projects...
I have many ideas as well, that I have not had the time to add.
Cambrian House accelerates projects and allows collaboration of like minded people to fufill their dreams...
If you have an idea, keep it simple and doable without a 50 person development team.
Look for niches that have not been done.
If you do not have a lot of comments on your idea, it may not be a good idea. I do not have the time to comment on really bad ideas. If I really like something, I will comment on it. If there is an idea that might work with a twist, I will comment on the twist.
And Blue and Gord, do not be disheartened.... There is good stuff being done behind the scenes on many projects...
I have many ideas as well, that I have not had the time to add.
Cambrian House accelerates projects and allows collaboration of like minded people to fufill their dreams...
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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Thanks fish99, I'm excited for you to give us all an update on CTIA and how mob4hire is coming along.
I don't think anyone has said that a simple idea = bad. There are many examples of simple = better. The iPod for example, was not the first MP3 player, but it was Steve Jobs "simple and elegant solution." The first Canon camera had three steps instead of around 17 that other cameras at the time.
I would prefer to not talk about TeeWrapz but, since you guys are completely missing the point of this discussion, thinking you have to defend TeeWrapz, instead of coming up with ways of maintaining a healthy community, I'll happily give my opionion.
I do not think TeeWrapz is a simple product. It adds additional steps to folding and storing a T-shirt. How is this simple? Are you really thinking about the user experience? I travel quite a bit and am quite OCD, I unpack and repack my suitcase every day (let's not even get into this). I care about how my clothes travel. I would never use TeeWrapz because I take the time to go through my suitcase anyway. My brother travels quite a bit as well. I'm 99% sure that he never does laundry, he just uses a combination of Downy wrinkle releaser and FeBreeze. he would never use TeeWrapz because he just doesn't care, no matter how organized his girlfriend would like his suitcase to be. Having said this, who is your target market? What problem are you solving for them? How are you making their lives better with this product?
I don't think anyone has said that a simple idea = bad. There are many examples of simple = better. The iPod for example, was not the first MP3 player, but it was Steve Jobs "simple and elegant solution." The first Canon camera had three steps instead of around 17 that other cameras at the time.
I would prefer to not talk about TeeWrapz but, since you guys are completely missing the point of this discussion, thinking you have to defend TeeWrapz, instead of coming up with ways of maintaining a healthy community, I'll happily give my opionion.
I do not think TeeWrapz is a simple product. It adds additional steps to folding and storing a T-shirt. How is this simple? Are you really thinking about the user experience? I travel quite a bit and am quite OCD, I unpack and repack my suitcase every day (let's not even get into this). I care about how my clothes travel. I would never use TeeWrapz because I take the time to go through my suitcase anyway. My brother travels quite a bit as well. I'm 99% sure that he never does laundry, he just uses a combination of Downy wrinkle releaser and FeBreeze. he would never use TeeWrapz because he just doesn't care, no matter how organized his girlfriend would like his suitcase to be. Having said this, who is your target market? What problem are you solving for them? How are you making their lives better with this product?
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CharonV
Member since: Sep 3, 2007 Rank: Noble (56 Posts) |
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Quote:
"My incentive for continuing IdeaWarz competitions are:
1 - I think the easier-to-participate processes on our site help generate traffic, and the traffic is needed to help facilitate implementation of ideas.
2 - It forces activity on our end, so CH must keep on top of discussions and ideas on current site.
3 - CH credibility as a "crowdsourcing company", lack of which would impact development of CH 3.0.
Reason #1 is something the community might want to comment on. If your idea has won IW, (or if you're in the process of trying to crowdsource it), you might feel slighted that YOU have put in the time and energy to promote your idea, and that WE respond by taking down the site. But if bad ideas were to win IW from this point forward, it is unlikely to help inspire crowdsourcing activity.
Does the community have any point-blank advice aside from (the very important) WOC mechanisms that need improvement? Like "take it down and let us know when 3.0 is live" or "kill IdeaWarz videos they're a waste of time" or "try a more hands-off approach" or "how about more Cambros".
others
Or "more cowbell". (Gordon Mc Dowell_
I tend to agree with the above comments by Gordon.
I feel that it is necessary to generate traffic, actually the more the better, and that "IdeaWartz" can be helpful as a very good analytical tool, especially to followers of "Contrarian Theory"
Stastically, 95% of speculators loose money, 85% of all startup companies go bust within a very short time.
According to Contrarian Theory, the more and bigger the "Crowd" that endorses an idea the closer it gets to being a "Kiss of Death" and vice versa. Basically don't fret if the crowd don't applaude your idea.
This site is about using "Crowd Sourcing" the CROWD is a very powerful tool if used correctly. It may help to read "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" by Charles Mackay. or "The Crowd" by Gustave Le Bon.
Point Blank advice: Many entrepreneurs could benefit from using this site, in my opinion many talents are being under utilised. Some Clients may not really care about getting opinions, they may just want a job done for a fair wage.
I think that it would help morale if the members were given the opportunity to make serious money.
"My incentive for continuing IdeaWarz competitions are:
1 - I think the easier-to-participate processes on our site help generate traffic, and the traffic is needed to help facilitate implementation of ideas.
2 - It forces activity on our end, so CH must keep on top of discussions and ideas on current site.
3 - CH credibility as a "crowdsourcing company", lack of which would impact development of CH 3.0.
Reason #1 is something the community might want to comment on. If your idea has won IW, (or if you're in the process of trying to crowdsource it), you might feel slighted that YOU have put in the time and energy to promote your idea, and that WE respond by taking down the site. But if bad ideas were to win IW from this point forward, it is unlikely to help inspire crowdsourcing activity.
Does the community have any point-blank advice aside from (the very important) WOC mechanisms that need improvement? Like "take it down and let us know when 3.0 is live" or "kill IdeaWarz videos they're a waste of time" or "try a more hands-off approach" or "how about more Cambros".
others
Or "more cowbell". (Gordon Mc Dowell_
I tend to agree with the above comments by Gordon.
I feel that it is necessary to generate traffic, actually the more the better, and that "IdeaWartz" can be helpful as a very good analytical tool, especially to followers of "Contrarian Theory"
Stastically, 95% of speculators loose money, 85% of all startup companies go bust within a very short time.
According to Contrarian Theory, the more and bigger the "Crowd" that endorses an idea the closer it gets to being a "Kiss of Death" and vice versa. Basically don't fret if the crowd don't applaude your idea.
This site is about using "Crowd Sourcing" the CROWD is a very powerful tool if used correctly. It may help to read "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" by Charles Mackay. or "The Crowd" by Gustave Le Bon.
Point Blank advice: Many entrepreneurs could benefit from using this site, in my opinion many talents are being under utilised. Some Clients may not really care about getting opinions, they may just want a job done for a fair wage.
I think that it would help morale if the members were given the opportunity to make serious money.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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I don't think anyone has said that a simple idea = bad. There are many examples of simple = better.
No one says it. But, that is how the system is set up. That is why everyone has such bad ideas. They make ideas to complex to make real.
Look at most of the ideas in the current ideawarz they are all to overly complex to work. They are to big for people to handle. In ideawarz anyone can just submit any crazy idea.
Here is an example: There should be monkey butlers. everyone would want them and we could train all of the monkeys to do stuff for us. The best part is we don't have to pay them!
That might as well be an idea in ideawarz. Sure this would require a lot of work to train and acquire monkeys. It would be to hard for anyone to make happen and require a lot investment money.
But, everyone would like the idea of monkey butlers that will do our work for no money.
In ideawarz there is no roof, so you get ideas through the roof. What ideawarz needs is something that limits ideas to only things that we can do!
That is why the ideas are so bad.
Also,
CH 3.0
It is just CH3, we are too cool for .0!
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On October 30, 2007, 11:21 am Kevin_Cox said:
Also,
CH 3.0
It is just CH3, we are to cool for .0!
In the process of removing 0's, you left the o out of too.
I agree with your statement. Most of the ideas in IdeaWarz I have to give bad scores:
1. It's impossible to build
2. I don't see any way that person could build the idea. If it takes someone like Google to build the idea, then I can't rate it highly
Both of these criteria indicate a need for simpler ideas.
The opposite of this is really interesting. Many very simple ideas submitted to idea warz have the comment "Simple. Good. Just go out and do it."
It's definitely the doing that's challenging.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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On October 29, 2007, 6:29 pm ccozad said:
I think it would be cool to see the ideas people have given four and five stars on their profiles. "I think these ideas can really make it..."
Well for now I definitely don't want to display voting data. Its hidden again, and I think it won't be shared until it can be done so in a new way. I know what you're describing doesn't offer totals or easy analysis. But it might entail vote swapping. (Vote swapping isn't a big concern, but now that I'm veering to opaque again, I might as well go all the way.)
Kevin Cox~
It is just CH3 death to .0!
Fair enough, Kev!
Don't mind if I call you Kev do you Kev? Kev Kev Kev Kev Kev!
OH, I'm sorry, that's not your name. Your name is K-E-V-I-N! My apologies! Now, if you don't mind...
PLEASE stick to our proper naming conventions.
Regards,
- Gordon James McDowell The First
(joke)
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Ady
Member since: Jul 30, 2006 Rank: Noble (60 Posts) |
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On October 27, 2007, 12:20 pm Blue said:
I have the most unintelligent word Saigon has ever heard or read!
Dear Saigon,
The next time you call my cell phone when you are drunk and it is the middle of the night where you are, I'll show you what unintelligent words are.
Have a great day,
Sarah Blue
I can't understand what the F**K this lady is doing in CH ? I heard longtime ago she's responsible for making the user experience better but she's doing the exactly opposite.
Seriously, tell me, what's her role in CH ?
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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On October 30, 2007, 4:17 pm Ady said:
I can't understand what the F**K this lady is doing in CH ? I heard longtime ago she's responsible for making the user experience better but she's doing the exactly opposite.
Seriously, tell me, what's her role in CH ?
Whoa, seriously Ady, you ok? It seems as though you are about to climb the proverbial clock tower.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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Her job description is to:
- Kick Ass
- Chew Bubblegum
...and she's all out of bubblegum.
- Kick Ass
- Chew Bubblegum
...and she's all out of bubblegum.
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El_Jivaro
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Noble (93 Posts) |
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On October 30, 2007, 4:33 pm GordonMcDowell said:
Her job description is to:
- Kick Ass
- Chew Bubblegum
...and she's all out of bubblegum.
It's true.
If this is the same thing as the idea in question, I have one. Very useful for bicycle commuters.
As for the harsh comments on Blue...maybe everyone should back off a little. Can you imagine if every single part of your job was transparent and not just to your boss but to the world via the web? Think about it. You submit a report and the entire WORLD chimes in. You serve someone coffee and EVERYONE gets to respond to how you're doing. She has a really, really hard job. Just exercise some come decency when you're posting. If you have issue with Blue, talk to Blue.
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El_Jivaro
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Noble (93 Posts) |
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On October 30, 2007, 5:32 pm El_Jivaro said:
On October 30, 2007, 4:33 pm GordonMcDowell said:
Her job description is to:
- Kick Ass
- Chew Bubblegum
...and she's all out of bubblegum.
It's true.
If this is the same thing as the idea in question, I have one. Very useful for bicycle commuters.
As for the harsh comments on Blue...maybe everyone should back off a little. Can you imagine if every single part of your job was transparent and not just to your boss but to the world via the web? Think about it. You submit a report and the entire WORLD chimes in. You serve someone coffee and EVERYONE gets to respond to how you're doing. She has a really, really hard job. Just exercise some come decency when you're posting. If you have issue with Blue, talk to Blue.
And it looks like the 'LINK' function in the forum isn't closing href tags again
;-)
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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I thought the text was changed to blue to honor blue
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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Testing links no link here. Oh and starting a link then i end a link.
Link?
El_Jivaro... can you step me through how to make a broken link? I see your post is wonky but i dunno how to replicate it. Thx. -g
Link?
El_Jivaro... can you step me through how to make a broken link? I see your post is wonky but i dunno how to replicate it. Thx. -g
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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The post above was just an unclosed link, so not sure what the madness was about....
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Gord, I know what the problem is!
This is a process issue. When you click to add a link you need to have text highlighted, otherwise you need to manually add the text and then close the tag.
If you just click the link button, that is not enough. It should almost ask you the text for your link....
This is a process issue. When you click to add a link you need to have text highlighted, otherwise you need to manually add the text and then close the tag.
If you just click the link button, that is not enough. It should almost ask you the text for your link....
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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I saw this video and realized that TeeWrapz might have a hard time with a shirt folding system.
I've been folding my shirts the wrong way all my life.
I've been folding my shirts the wrong way all my life.
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Elmer
Member since: Sep 14, 2007 Rank: Merchant (18 Posts) |
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Actually, I like Teewrapz and I even supported it. It's just inappropriate to judge ideas as the dumbest one as it's too insulting on the part of the owner of the idea as they have exerted their efforts to come up with such. Thank the owner instead and tell them that if they can do more than it would be much appreciated.
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darlinglilred
Member since: Jun 29, 2007 Rank: Warrior (114 Posts) |
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On November 6, 2007, 7:29 pm Elmer said:
Actually, I like Teewrapz and I even supported it. It's just inappropriate to judge ideas as the dumbest one as it's too insulting on the part of the owner of the idea as they have exerted their efforts to come up with such. Thank the owner instead and tell them that if they can do more than it would be much appreciated.
We get it you support Teewrapz and love Saigon could you please stop posting in every single thread there is about it now?!
We are sad about mentioning this week's Weekly Ideawarz winnerin our blog. Want to know why? We'll tell you! Many new people find our website through our blog and we don't want their first impression of our amazing community to be on such a bad idea. Bad how? Bad in every sense of the word. It is impossible to crowdsource this idea. Moreover, it is not a viable business.
Seriously, what are you guys thinking? Are we to blame? Is this a case of bad parenting? I feel like one of those single mothers that is trying to improve the quality of life for her teenagers by working two jobs, then the teenagers get involved with the wrong crowd anyway.
Gord and I will take full responsibility for this. We realize that there isn't very much to do on our site currently. In spite of this, there are several people that are managing to do amazing things on here. These are not the people that are voting up bad ideas in weekly Ideawarz.
Does the community need a lesson in crowdsourcing? The Wisdom of Crowds? We can recommend a few books for you if you are interested.
Here's some quick definitions for all of you to consider (taken from our friend, Jeff Howe's Crowdsoursing blog.
The White Paper Version: Crowdsourcing is the act of taking a job traditionally performed by a designated agent (usually an employee) and outsourcing it to an undefined, generally large group of people in the form of an open call.
The Soundbyte Version: The application of Open Source principles to fields outside of software.
Keep these definitions in mind. If these principles don't apply to your idea, do not enter it into Weekly Ideawarz. You are more than welcome to discuss any type of idea in our forums.
Hope this helps,
Sarah
Posted: October 26, 2007, 11:06 am