Cambrian House
I'm not sure how to do this.
What I do see is that e.g. this week, the level is sometimes pathetic. If this continues, no one will take CH serious anymore...
Tommy
I couldn't agree more.
Of course you're right: there will always be crap ideas.
The problem is when crab becomes the avarage. This is whta seems to be happening right now.
Tommy
I'm fine with the elevator pitch being mandatory as long as I have the choice of using the current elevator pitch or a free form elevator pitch where I can write a proper elevator pitch.
Cheers to you
Tommy
CHinvention.COM by Andydoan is a nice one...
that domain is not even registered (do a whois on it)
You may want to double check the screen that pops up after I confirm my email. I think it says that the API key has been confirmed and directed me to the documentation to get started. Anyway... I'm excited that I can start playing with the API, but the registration process is a bit clunky that's all.
Yes, yes it would. A recycle bin has been suggested but never implemented.
I don't agree with that. I put a business online as a test to see how the system works, but my test is an actual business that I would like to implement.
Selling it for a dollar would be a bit heart-breaking.
I'm a new member, and had similar thoughts. I've looked through the Businesses, and quite honestly looked only at those with more than one member or with jobs posted. A good search function, for businesses and ideas, would be most appreciated.
I have to disagree with the emphatic double yes. I don't think that this would really clean up much of the one man businesses. I can think of 100 reasons why people will just leave their one man business and never send it to the recycle bin. The biggest reason being that people are lazy and don't care. A few kind souls might help a little, but I'd guess the majority of 1 man businesses aren't going to take the time to delete their business if it should be.
The feature is still needed, but my point is don't expect that to clean up the list of businesses.
I agree. Would help to have a clean-up process where six months(?) of inactivity would place it in the recycle bin -- thus allowing folks to remove it from the bin if they ever decided to work on the business after six months.
There kind of is this feature for businesses. It's called joining a business and then in your profile it's the businesses link. Definitely not ideal, but it's what I use to track the ones that interest me most.
In CH 3.0 should be a 'report spam' button for messages I think (message will be forwarded to CH and they can ban the user or whatever they do with spammers (maybe ban the IP adres of the user?))
Like this idea!!!
Tommy
agrees...
Btw if SPAM button will be back how about a REFINE button?
All raw ideas that has hit of 3 or more REFINE button from the crowd will be invisible(not deleted) in the round and the author will get notification for him to refine it further to enable to catch up on that round ..since some IDEA submitter with so so concept tends to leave their creation and dont even look back or rebut actively.
What do you think?
Me too. I hate my stupid cluttered idea list.
Throwing "dot oh" at the end of things makes it clear that you're talking about something computery.
I'm kidding, of course. CH3 is more accurate. In fact, I think we should even start calling it CH III because that feels more cinematic.
Don't try to trick us by dropping the minor version number. 3.0 is dead out of the gate, and you know no one will bother using it until at least 3.1 SP4.
Nice idea ^^
P.S. You can also use the 'Edit Post' button to change mistakes in your forum post (but it doesn't give you more glory points
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How funny I nver notices this option.
Thanks
This would be handy on the Ideas as well, knowing that are mistypes aren't simply limited to the forums.
Just use the "Refine idea" option and you can chage your mistake
[ Using "Edit Post" ]
Or do you use this function for the comments on an idea?
Yes, comments on an idea. I know it's not that big of a deal to respond with a grammatical error, but what can I say? I feel it somehow denigrates the wisdom of the response.
Stop using words like 'denigrates' and you'll have less problems with spelling Or just get the latest version of firefox that has spell check built in to anything you can type in
I like this idea also. I'd like to be able to follow the ideas that I've submitted comments on. Maybe we can set it to auto-watch anything that we've commented on.
Part of it is just a good memory...One of my goals in life is to make it onto Jeopardy
The other part is I have a lot of people on my friends list, so I just check for activity in my profile. If I see a comment on an idea I have commented on I revisit it. I also spend WAY too much time here, that doesn't hurt either
hopefully we can also edit our comments in the ideas...
Nice one.
Additionally maybe also business to business payments could be possible.(additional to member to business payments)
I talked to CH and they'd talked about this before. In the meantime I was looking at just creating a generic CH account with the name of the business. Then, I'd transfer Cambros to that account and use it like the business account.
I like this suggestion by doublelibra.
I think some categories of stars would be more helpful. Here are my suggestions.
Market - Would people be willing to pay for it.
Technical feasiblity - Can it be accomplished. ( a time machine would sell like hot cakes, but it can't be built with currently available technology).
Competition - Is someone already doing it? Is a current CH idea working on it?
Plus what other have suggested of "funny" and "appropriate"
Lars
...(siddey) yes, I'm pretty sure I'll have to go that way as anything else would be crazy confusing. But I was hoping there was some neat way of capturing more meaning with a single click that was still simple. Guess not.
...(LarsBell) I think that'll be binary... If votes are broken down into multiple categories, then no every category will need to be filled, so uncertainty will be reflected as not voting in that category. Maybe a FAVORITE of the week (or MOST XYZ of the week) will give extra emphasis for a category.
Maybe I can move the voting mechanism into same space on screen as comment field, but I'd feel funny putting voting tool on bottom... DOES ANYONE FEEL REVERSING THE ORDER OF CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE TOO CONFUSING. Of course it would have to happen EVERYWHERE on the site. I think the online world hasn't reached a consensus on that... if minor layout reasons pushed us towards newest-to-latest comments and forums... WOULD ANYONE CARE?
...(zentropy), good call. I can't see myself getting to that any time soon, but yes it should be done.
I think this is a really interesting idea! I go through all of the ideas, but I'm more interested on helping on ideas that I'm good at and would be interested in a little nudge when those ideas come up. The only tricky thing about this is making sure everyone uses the same taxonomy. Otherwise, tagging isn't very useful.
Zentrophy, what reader are you using? I don't use one myself and have been trying to replicate a sucky RSS experience (just subscribing to FORUMS RECENT POSTS)... and using RSS Bandit or Google Reader it seems to make sense to me.
In the following thread i posted a screenshot of the output of the RSS feed that i get. I'm not sure what to make of it, but perhaps it differs per RSS client, so perhaps i should simply try another RSS client.
http://www.cambrianh...topic/feedback/2052/
The thought behind is the competition for the weekly ideawarz is much tougher the week after a TOC finishes. Submissions might be re-submitted into subsequent ideawarz just to have less competitors.
It looks like a lot of folks are volunteering to be terminated members of the week. Maybe the flag inappropriate or flag as 'best of' (like Craigslist) for forum posts will help with this? Would a staged termination be a possibility (e.g. first flag inappropriate is one week, next a month, finally indefinitely)? Is there a way to focus more on the positive (like the monthly Bezerker award)?
Of course they will be. As long as they can figure out Hotmail's spam filter. If they can't, then they probably shouldn't be apart of it.
Agree, spammers don't need to know who reported them.
What does signature area mean? Like a customized tag you end every post with?
For sure. Its just a Gord bottleneck reason why that's not happened yet.
That would have to be CH3 idea if we wrote the tool itself or license it, but there's the possibility that an embeddable solution could be dropped into CH2. It would probably try pull traffic from CH (otherwise why would it be offered), but its possible there's a quick way to offer more visual brainstorming tools within our current site design.
Yes its been suggested that as we intake ideas, we're not helping identify potential matches or related idea. A similar model would be how DIGG presents you with similar stories when you're making a submission in hopes you'll identify any matches.
Decent advice.
I've used forums that handled this by sorting threads by last activity (just like the forums here do) and by highlighting threads that have changed since your last login. The former would seem to be really easy to implement as just another sort option on the idea list, and if it just displayed the timestamp of the last activity like the forums do, it would be easy to see things that had been active since your last look.
(No you don't get GP's for voting on Forum posts (http://www.cambrianhouse.com/forums/topic/general-discussion/2316/))
Yes, that sounds like a good feature for CH3.
ACK: We need more report inappropriate buttons on CH2.
New comments on ideas feed: There is currently a mechanism by which forum threads can be subscribed to. Does anyone use it? (Just checking.) I could implement similar on Ideas so you subscribe to an idea and are alerted to updates. That is not ideal just one approach.
The consolidated... heres all what is new... summary page. I do like it, some of it would be obvious... if you submitted an idea obviously you care about new posts. But since we don't have tree-structure comments anywhere, how to know if you care about a follow-up comment on a thread or idea you did not create?
I was pondering an alias search... any time someone mentioned your name that content is summarized (or you get an email alert).
Or we could start tracking slightly more tree like conversations (even if they're not shown as such) when people hit {reply to this post} in forums (but does not exist in idea comments).
I agree we need a what-is-new summary. My biggest value would be when I post a comment on an idea, and the idea submitter responds but I'm not notified and I need to re-check the idea to know about their response. Idea refining wise, that's the biggest suck on our site right now.
...is a reverse chronological sort. There's no YOU-HAVE-NOT-SEEN-THIS-YET icon, but its possible people can figure out themselves what they have and have-not seen. It is a decent suggestion, but not worth the efforts compared to bigger usability issues right now.
Perhaps I could interest you in a nice 800x600 CRT monitor? It makes our site look oh-so-nice!
Could you suggest a modification to a piece of copy on our site so I better understand what you are saying? It need not be a practical change, just something to illustrate to me what you are saying.
Here are the single word densities on your home page that have at least 3 occurances
Word Count Density
crowds 10 2.25%
crowdsourcing 8 1.80%
about 5 1.12%
this 5 1.12%
form 5 1.12%
2007 5 1.12%
month 4 0.90%
with 4 0.90%
cambrian 4 0.90%
your 4 0.90%
house 4 0.90%
name 4 0.90%
start 3 0.67%
more 3 0.67%
ideas 3 0.67%
login 3 0.67%
home 3 0.67%
mail 3 0.67%
people 3 0.67%
Here are the two-word phrases (with more than 1 occurance)
Phrase Count Density
cambrian house 4 0.90%
this month 4 0.90%
please e 2 0.45%
the world 2 0.45%
the form 2 0.45%
internet to 2 0.45%
house get 2 0.45%
crowdsourcing crowdsourcing 2 0.45%
And finally, here are the three-word phrases (with more than 1 occurance)
Phrase Count Density
this month s 4 0.90%
is this month 3 0.67%
cambrian house get 2 0.45%
FYI, my tool takes into consideration title tags, meta keyword, meta description, and all the other goodies.
So, what this tell me is that you don't have enough two and three-word phrases. Most people have learned to focus their searching by using more words to get at what they want. For example, if you are interested in finding Dentists in Atlanta, but you only type in "dentists", you're search is not focused enough. You'd type in "atlanta dentists" to focus your search.
I don't know if you've all done a keyword analysis yet, but I can imagine that the people interested in what you have to offer will type in more than just "crowdsourcing". It's good that you're on the first page for the single term "crowdsourcing", but most people don't know what that is yet, therefore they won't even be typing that. They may be more interested in "cooperative business planning" or something like that. They'll keep typing phrases until they find what they want.
Do you have Google Analytics set up? Have you extracted a history of all the keyword phrases that people have ever used to find this site? That should get you started with a list to target. Or just brainstorm all the synonymous phrases for what you have to offer. What are the synonyms for "business crowdsourcing"?
Anyway, once you figure out a list of keyword phrases that you want to be found for, then you need to strategically place those phrases throughout your site. Put them in the title tag, h1 and h2 tags, in bolded text, in the main content, in the footer... sprinkle them all over the place. I like to achieve a density of around 3% for my most important keyword phrases, and I only optimize for up to three phrases for the home page, otherwise you're diluting your optimization.
SEO follows the 80/20 rule... it's 80% on-page optimization, and 20% off-page (and the off-page must be strategic and optimized, otherwise it's ineffective). Just getting links does not really help, they need to be effective links... usually 5-8 good links is all you need. 1000's of links is useless. If you have them, great.. but they probably aren't doing anything for you.
So there... now you know the "secret sauce" to SEO. There's nothing secret about it... it just takes discipline and attention to detail (and a little money).
Just my $.02, this SHOULD be high on the priority list because the current process does not scale well... meaning, if your goals are for this website to be wildly popular, you may one day be getting more and more ideas each week. If you ever get to the point where you have hundreds of ideas, then you need an obvious way to keep track of the new ones. "Figuring it out themselves" is not an option. Building the scalability in at the beginning is easier than doing it later.
I'm just putting the back-and-forth banter over one particular idea higher priority-wise than finding new ideas and leaving a single comment with no notification about a response.
Sorry to nitpick, but that's not what the 80/20 rule means. The 80/20 rule says that "20% of your _____ provides 80% of your _____"
So for example, "20% of our customers are providing 80% of our revenue, so we need to identify who those 20% are and focus on them." It doesn't mean "this is split up 80/20".
HA! You're right.. I was about to explain why what I typed was right, but after I re-read it... I'm wrong
Ok, let me rephrase that so that it works...
on-page SEO takes less time and effort (say 20%, as opposed to 80% for off-page efforts), but it gets you 80% of your return on effort.
There... I stand corrected.
Give it a try - and quick!William McKnight, 3M
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CH 3.0 Suggestions
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monocultured
    Member since: Feb 16, 2007 Rank: Peasant (6 Posts) |
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I just dropped by after a couple of months, and it's nice to see some of the changes around.
It's nice to see the micro-payment approach to micro-tasks on the site (voting, commenting, etc) but i'd modify it thus:
Only the person who accepts someones friend-request should get the credit. I didn't undertand why so many people wanted to befriend me since I've been absent for four months, but I think that that extra credit make people go gaga.
(maybe add a text-field to any friend-request that would allow me to write something alongside the request? like skype 'add contact', see?)
More choices in how ideas are ranked. Having gone through all the ideas in the running I'd love to have a "bullcrap" or "donkeyballs" checkbox to tick off; enough of those accumulated checkboxes and the idea gets dumped. (threadless has a cutoff-function if the rating of a certain tee drops below 1.5/5 points, and it seems to work nicely albeit crudely)
Of course, always make it more difficult to rate something negatively than neutral/positively - those of us who have a small moderator-nazi inside of us would make that extra effort to keep the site clean-ish, while those who would only be mischievous are usually too lazy to bother.
How is awarding points for voting working out? Are there any numbers on that, or does it seem to be an unusual amount of "neutral" votes? It seems counterintuitive to award points when there's no meta-moderating going on, (and it's hard to meta-moderate others appreciation of an idea) but maybe it's working out well?
Anyways. My two cents at first glance (litteraly, since I'm getting two points for this post...)
It's nice to see the micro-payment approach to micro-tasks on the site (voting, commenting, etc) but i'd modify it thus:
Only the person who accepts someones friend-request should get the credit. I didn't undertand why so many people wanted to befriend me since I've been absent for four months, but I think that that extra credit make people go gaga.
(maybe add a text-field to any friend-request that would allow me to write something alongside the request? like skype 'add contact', see?)
More choices in how ideas are ranked. Having gone through all the ideas in the running I'd love to have a "bullcrap" or "donkeyballs" checkbox to tick off; enough of those accumulated checkboxes and the idea gets dumped. (threadless has a cutoff-function if the rating of a certain tee drops below 1.5/5 points, and it seems to work nicely albeit crudely)
Of course, always make it more difficult to rate something negatively than neutral/positively - those of us who have a small moderator-nazi inside of us would make that extra effort to keep the site clean-ish, while those who would only be mischievous are usually too lazy to bother.
How is awarding points for voting working out? Are there any numbers on that, or does it seem to be an unusual amount of "neutral" votes? It seems counterintuitive to award points when there's no meta-moderating going on, (and it's hard to meta-moderate others appreciation of an idea) but maybe it's working out well?
Anyways. My two cents at first glance (litteraly, since I'm getting two points for this post...)
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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Gordon,
The most important: the quality of the ideas. I have the impression is going worse and worse. I posted an item about this a while ago.
Stupid ideas makes ch less interesting for serious people.
Tommy
The most important: the quality of the ideas. I have the impression is going worse and worse. I posted an item about this a while ago.
Stupid ideas makes ch less interesting for serious people.
Tommy
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Christine
Member since: Jun 13, 2006 Rank: Warrior (217 Posts) |
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do you think that CH should monitor the quality of ideas? I think that is the job of the community (i.e. wisdom of crowds). Ideas with a higher score should be better quality no? At least that's the theory.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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There are lots of bad ideas (maybe its getting slightly worse, hard to say, we debate that internally some times), but I do think it is possible to figure out early in the vote-gathering-process which ideas have lots of down votes. CH could weed those out of competition, and so saving (most) members from voting on ideas that are already determined to be bad.
But the problem is we want bad ideas to be refined into good ones. There are some ideas I'll vote down, but I don't want to disappear, and others I don't care about their fate.
We have not clearly articulated how to distinguish between the two. I can't define it off hand. That it has to be a viable business? That it can't already exist elsewhere? That the submitted has not mailed me a cheque for $50? All of those are good guidelines, but I can't quite articulate rules for them.
(And I don't mean for this CH 3.0 thread to denigrate into a specific thread about idea filtering. Idea filtering and spam flagging are good general points, but i'm looking for more of a feature list.)
But the problem is we want bad ideas to be refined into good ones. There are some ideas I'll vote down, but I don't want to disappear, and others I don't care about their fate.
We have not clearly articulated how to distinguish between the two. I can't define it off hand. That it has to be a viable business? That it can't already exist elsewhere? That the submitted has not mailed me a cheque for $50? All of those are good guidelines, but I can't quite articulate rules for them.
(And I don't mean for this CH 3.0 thread to denigrate into a specific thread about idea filtering. Idea filtering and spam flagging are good general points, but i'm looking for more of a feature list.)
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mswayne
Member since: Nov 20, 2006 Rank: Warrior (141 Posts) |
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I think we're spending a little bit too much time on voting for ideas... and not enough time actually developing the good ideas that we have.
I try to spend some time rating the ideas... and try to be fair. It's fun.
But, woof, the debates and the wrangling, you know.
It's become, a type of, IDD, innovation deficit syndrome.
What I would like to see is the Idea Warz, as is. But, also, create a panel of management and non-involved members (members who don't have an idea that's being judged) select a few ideas for legitimate development. Like an incubator. Get some crowd help. Pay for services the crowd can't provide.
Then we can spin them out to the public, at large and see if they sink or swim, or just kind of bobble there.
Just My .02 Cambros, brothers and sisters.
I try to spend some time rating the ideas... and try to be fair. It's fun.
But, woof, the debates and the wrangling, you know.
It's become, a type of, IDD, innovation deficit syndrome.
What I would like to see is the Idea Warz, as is. But, also, create a panel of management and non-involved members (members who don't have an idea that's being judged) select a few ideas for legitimate development. Like an incubator. Get some crowd help. Pay for services the crowd can't provide.
Then we can spin them out to the public, at large and see if they sink or swim, or just kind of bobble there.
Just My .02 Cambros, brothers and sisters.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Let's focus on the positives; namely as the thread suggests let's list our wishlist for v3.0 functionality.
From time to time I've mentioned the following in various posts;
1. Bring back the thumbnail view of all weekly comp ideas on a single page. The objective is to speed up reviewing of ideas and allow most time to be spent only on those that lure me in with their elevator pitch.
2. Allow us to vote on an idea from the thumbnail view. I know that in principle the current format is intended to promote people leaving comments and reading all of the feedback but in reality, it's a waste of time having to do this for all ideas. A polished turd is still a turd. If an idea is good enough to make me want to click on the link to see the full description, then I think that is a sign of a good idea. I think all ideas deserve at least for me to read their pitch and this function is therefore likely to stop me from becoming more bitter and twisted about the time it currently takes to navigate to, review and vote so that I stick with it. I owe it to those with good ideas to vote them up and the bad ones down.
3. Release a step-by-step business plan creation guide and deliver some online templates for people to use.
4. Extend the current business section to allow users to review business plans and leave practical comments against the sections.
5. Find some industry gurus to review completed business plans.
6. Extend the current business section to include an ajax style calendar / task allocation tool. Use this as a basic equivalent to MS Project but with the ability to link a threaded discussion to a particular task (e.g. to manage task specific collaboration such as during spec'ing and testing phases for s/w projects).
7. Speed up the site & de-clutter the navigation. There are arguably too many nav levels now and to me at least, they're not all logically associated. How about some form of tree-view menu so we can see everything available in a single location?
8. Create a business profile page where people can advertise their active businesses and talk a little about what they've done and where they have gone. This would then drive more interest down to specific businesses that people may not otherwise find (as per other comments - perusing businesses and their wikis to find out what's happening takes a fair amount of time via the current design which is a deterrent to me). I'd like to see the profile of those that are actually working on their businesses raised.
That's it for now.
From time to time I've mentioned the following in various posts;
1. Bring back the thumbnail view of all weekly comp ideas on a single page. The objective is to speed up reviewing of ideas and allow most time to be spent only on those that lure me in with their elevator pitch.
2. Allow us to vote on an idea from the thumbnail view. I know that in principle the current format is intended to promote people leaving comments and reading all of the feedback but in reality, it's a waste of time having to do this for all ideas. A polished turd is still a turd. If an idea is good enough to make me want to click on the link to see the full description, then I think that is a sign of a good idea. I think all ideas deserve at least for me to read their pitch and this function is therefore likely to stop me from becoming more bitter and twisted about the time it currently takes to navigate to, review and vote so that I stick with it. I owe it to those with good ideas to vote them up and the bad ones down.
3. Release a step-by-step business plan creation guide and deliver some online templates for people to use.
4. Extend the current business section to allow users to review business plans and leave practical comments against the sections.
5. Find some industry gurus to review completed business plans.
6. Extend the current business section to include an ajax style calendar / task allocation tool. Use this as a basic equivalent to MS Project but with the ability to link a threaded discussion to a particular task (e.g. to manage task specific collaboration such as during spec'ing and testing phases for s/w projects).
7. Speed up the site & de-clutter the navigation. There are arguably too many nav levels now and to me at least, they're not all logically associated. How about some form of tree-view menu so we can see everything available in a single location?
8. Create a business profile page where people can advertise their active businesses and talk a little about what they've done and where they have gone. This would then drive more interest down to specific businesses that people may not otherwise find (as per other comments - perusing businesses and their wikis to find out what's happening takes a fair amount of time via the current design which is a deterrent to me). I'd like to see the profile of those that are actually working on their businesses raised.
That's it for now.
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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On July 25, 2007, 11:00 am Christine said:
do you think that CH should monitor the quality of ideas? I think that is the job of the community (i.e. wisdom of crowds). Ideas with a higher score should be better quality no? At least that's the theory.
I'm not sure how to do this.
What I do see is that e.g. this week, the level is sometimes pathetic. If this continues, no one will take CH serious anymore...
Tommy
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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CH will always be taken seriously if we can assist owners of good ideas to progress to the next stage either by personal contribution or by suggesting functional enhancements to the site that will help them.
There will always be crap ideas and I don't believe it's worthwhile trying to stop people from contributing, so long as it's not obviously spam. The best response is to help the good ideas become a reality.
So.....who has some feature suggestions to share that focus on the business creation side of things instead of the idea submission?
There will always be crap ideas and I don't believe it's worthwhile trying to stop people from contributing, so long as it's not obviously spam. The best response is to help the good ideas become a reality.
So.....who has some feature suggestions to share that focus on the business creation side of things instead of the idea submission?
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DeusMachina
Member since: Jul 26, 2007 Rank: Peasant (3 Posts) |
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Sell merchandise with the CH logo(s).
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DeusMachina
Member since: Jul 26, 2007 Rank: Peasant (3 Posts) |
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An append button to comments, to allow you to add something to a comment you've made. Not edit anything already written, but only add to it. Or, at the very least, make it so if you try to double-post, and you have the last post, it just adds to it.
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mswayne
Member since: Nov 20, 2006 Rank: Warrior (141 Posts) |
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On July 30, 2007, 7:31 am siddey said:
CH will always be taken seriously if we can assist owners of good ideas to progress to the next stage either by personal contribution or by suggesting functional enhancements to the site that will help them.
There will always be crap ideas and I don't believe it's worthwhile trying to stop people from contributing, so long as it's not obviously spam. The best response is to help the good ideas become a reality.
I couldn't agree more.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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How about rolling out a weekly, quick response online survey widget so that we can learn a little more about the CH community's attitude to various things?
We could post questions, then people vote on which one they'd like to see answered by members. Results would be dynamically tallied and each week the question is changed to the next most popular one.
Or just leave it to Gord and Blue to come up with some good ones...less democratic but definitely easier!
We could post questions, then people vote on which one they'd like to see answered by members. Results would be dynamically tallied and each week the question is changed to the next most popular one.
Or just leave it to Gord and Blue to come up with some good ones...less democratic but definitely easier!
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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On July 30, 2007, 7:31 am siddey said:
There will always be crap ideas and I don't believe it's worthwhile trying to stop people from contributing, so long as it's not obviously spam. The best response is to help the good ideas become a reality.
Of course you're right: there will always be crap ideas.
The problem is when crab becomes the avarage. This is whta seems to be happening right now.
Tommy
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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Maybe we can make (as originally intended) the elevator pitch mandatory, and add the possibility to show the main competitors (list of websites). In this way we can see if the owner of the idea at least has used Google to search the web in advance.
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On July 31, 2007, 7:28 am vanhees said:
Maybe we can make (as originally intended) the elevator pitch mandatory, and add the possibility to show the main competitors (list of websites). In this way we can see if the owner of the idea at least has used Google to search the web in advance.
I'm fine with the elevator pitch being mandatory as long as I have the choice of using the current elevator pitch or a free form elevator pitch where I can write a proper elevator pitch.
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Brenden
Member since: Feb 3, 2007 Rank: Viking King (767 Posts) |
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I want to be able to edit comments and as the idea owner be able to hide them.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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One things that come to mind during the short time I have been on thus far:
- Threaded comments for ideas. Then an author can respond right below questions.
- Limit how many ideas can be submitted to a particular idea warz tournament. Either a limit per person or a total limit (or both) say 3-5 per person and 120 max ideas.
- Have a day or two screening period at the beginning of each tournament. (With a special "junk" button only available during this period) These will help sort out the junk. Too many "junk" votes and the idea gets marked for removal from the tournament. (Will need some "impartial" voters to decide the final fate, to prevent sabotage)
- More easter egg type activities
- Threaded comments for ideas. Then an author can respond right below questions.
- Limit how many ideas can be submitted to a particular idea warz tournament. Either a limit per person or a total limit (or both) say 3-5 per person and 120 max ideas.
- Have a day or two screening period at the beginning of each tournament. (With a special "junk" button only available during this period) These will help sort out the junk. Too many "junk" votes and the idea gets marked for removal from the tournament. (Will need some "impartial" voters to decide the final fate, to prevent sabotage)
- More easter egg type activities
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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On August 4, 2007, 2:06 pm ccozad said:
One things that come to mind during the short time I have been on thus far:
- Threaded comments for ideas. Then an author can respond right below questions.
- Limit how many ideas can be submitted to a particular idea warz tournament. Either a limit per person or a total limit (or both) say 3-5 per person and 120 max ideas.
- Have a day or two screening period at the beginning of each tournament. (With a special "junk" button only available during this period) These will help sort out the junk. Too many "junk" votes and the idea gets marked for removal from the tournament. (Will need some "impartial" voters to decide the final fate, to prevent sabotage)
- More easter egg type activities
Cheers to you
Tommy
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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Please eliminate these horrible pop-ups when you perform a friends-request.
Tommy
Tommy
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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A direct link to http://www.linkedin.com/ from your profile.
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generic_idea_machine
Member since: Jul 31, 2006 Rank: Noble (99 Posts) |
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- idea filters
- idea categorization labels (like gmail labels)
- idea-safe keep. (Adding ideas to your list of favourites / watch)
- selling Idea-warz. It is not being marketed properly..if at all. (Do we still have Idea warz? pardon my ignorance)
- leveraging effective use of blog. Blog about CH related changes e.t.c
- game plan for the "bazaar + CHU" and how they tie into the bigger picture
- video feeds and broadcasts about the changes happening. CH news perhaps that can be tagged onto the blog for updates (perhaps youtube has corrupted me......but forums just seems too staticky to be getting updates now). Not interested in seeing people getting their makeup done in the videos (specially dudes)...but rather actual content about changes and upgrades within CH
- mobile CH (accessing CH on mobile devices). berry interesting
- sister site. CH Green. crowd-sourcing for green initiatives.
- twin sister site. CH S&T. crowd-sourcing for science and technology initiatives
- CH premium. A listing of dependable professionals, who have a proven track record of getting things done. Teams can be formulated within CH by these people. Then businesses can contact these teams for any work they want done. Its like outsourcing within crowd-sourcing.
- idea categorization labels (like gmail labels)
- idea-safe keep. (Adding ideas to your list of favourites / watch)
- selling Idea-warz. It is not being marketed properly..if at all. (Do we still have Idea warz? pardon my ignorance)
- leveraging effective use of blog. Blog about CH related changes e.t.c
- game plan for the "bazaar + CHU" and how they tie into the bigger picture
- video feeds and broadcasts about the changes happening. CH news perhaps that can be tagged onto the blog for updates (perhaps youtube has corrupted me......but forums just seems too staticky to be getting updates now). Not interested in seeing people getting their makeup done in the videos (specially dudes)...but rather actual content about changes and upgrades within CH
- mobile CH (accessing CH on mobile devices). berry interesting
- sister site. CH Green. crowd-sourcing for green initiatives.
- twin sister site. CH S&T. crowd-sourcing for science and technology initiatives
- CH premium. A listing of dependable professionals, who have a proven track record of getting things done. Teams can be formulated within CH by these people. Then businesses can contact these teams for any work they want done. Its like outsourcing within crowd-sourcing.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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- An "Are you human" verifier where fuzzy and skewed numbers have to be entered to create an account.
Kudos to Gods_light for posting this in a forum an hour before I did. Man!, that always happens...
Kudos to Gods_light for posting this in a forum an hour before I did. Man!, that always happens...
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On August 6, 2007, 8:33 am generic_idea_machine said:
- sister site. CH Green. crowd-sourcing for green initiatives.
- twin sister site. CH S&T. crowd-sourcing for science and technology initiatives
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CHinvention.COM by Andydoan is a nice one...
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generic_idea_machine
Member since: Jul 31, 2006 Rank: Noble (99 Posts) |
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On August 7, 2007, 3:42 am saigon said:
On August 6, 2007, 8:33 am generic_idea_machine said:
- sister site. CH Green. crowd-sourcing for green initiatives.
- twin sister site. CH S&T. crowd-sourcing for science and technology initiatives
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CHinvention.COM by Andydoan is a nice one...
that domain is not even registered (do a whois on it)
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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Note to self (consolidating suggestions in this thread). Ashley points out message trash can should (also?) be shown at bottom of message so is near by when you are done reading.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Yes, a little consolidating would be most helpful. and.... For a few cambros I would be happy to go through the ideas and extract those ideas that should actually be CH 3.0 feature requests....
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fossiloflife
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Warrior (236 Posts) |
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well lately i have come across so many spam thts its irritatin me! i guess 3.0 should tackle it!
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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The magic question is how? There are ways to trip up the spammers, but some of them also trip up normal users.
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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From Zach:
I'm very interested in searching for, and joining a business. However the list is huge and going through page after page of 1 member businesses is frustrating.
Here are the things that run through my head as I browse. I would like to see these things and be able to sort/filter/search (and get rss for search) by them as well.
1) How ACTIVE is the business?
2) What STAGE is the business in (envisioning/developing/beta/generating revenue/profitable/for sale)
3) How many PROJECT MEMBERS? With a link.
4) How many JOBS are posted for this business? With a link.
5) FUNDING status / requirements. How much funding does the business have, how much is it raising?
6) REMUNERATION options (one or more of: hourly $/RPs, per-task $/RPs)
I'm very interested in searching for, and joining a business. However the list is huge and going through page after page of 1 member businesses is frustrating.
Here are the things that run through my head as I browse. I would like to see these things and be able to sort/filter/search (and get rss for search) by them as well.
1) How ACTIVE is the business?
2) What STAGE is the business in (envisioning/developing/beta/generating revenue/profitable/for sale)
3) How many PROJECT MEMBERS? With a link.
4) How many JOBS are posted for this business? With a link.
5) FUNDING status / requirements. How much funding does the business have, how much is it raising?
6) REMUNERATION options (one or more of: hourly $/RPs, per-task $/RPs)
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scotty
Member since: Mar 24, 2007 Rank: Merchant (25 Posts) |
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Thanks Blue.
I'd also like to see APIs. But that's kind of an obvious web 2.0 feature, so I'm not sure it belongs here.
I clicked on the API link below and went through the api_key sign-up procedure (kind of clunky) and discovered that it doesn't work.
Specifically, the example:
http://api.cambrianh...aro?api_key={my_key}
doesn't return any results.
Any plans for having an API?
I'd also like to see APIs. But that's kind of an obvious web 2.0 feature, so I'm not sure it belongs here.
I clicked on the API link below and went through the api_key sign-up procedure (kind of clunky) and discovered that it doesn't work.
Specifically, the example:
http://api.cambrianh...aro?api_key={my_key}
doesn't return any results.
Any plans for having an API?
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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Your key isn't validated. Todd has to activate it.
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scotty
Member since: Mar 24, 2007 Rank: Merchant (25 Posts) |
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On August 17, 2007, 5:01 pm Blue said:
Your key isn't validated. Todd has to activate it.
You may want to double check the screen that pops up after I confirm my email. I think it says that the API key has been confirmed and directed me to the documentation to get started. Anyway... I'm excited that I can start playing with the API, but the registration process is a bit clunky that's all.
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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Todd activated Zach's!
This is good for anyone else who is trying to figure it out. We aren't improving this site while we concentrate on the next rev, so as Zach has pointed out, it is a bit clunky! Feel free to drop us an email and we'll help ya through it!
This is good for anyone else who is trying to figure it out. We aren't improving this site while we concentrate on the next rev, so as Zach has pointed out, it is a bit clunky! Feel free to drop us an email and we'll help ya through it!
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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A delete button on the ideas / business would be helpful. I might be missing the one for businesses, but this would help cut down on the one-man business ideas that are out there.
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CyberCerberus
Member since: Jul 6, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1181 Posts) |
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On August 18, 2007, 12:00 pm christopherritter said:
A delete button on the ideas / business would be helpful. I might be missing the one for businesses, but this would help cut down on the one-man business ideas that are out there.
Yes, yes it would. A recycle bin has been suggested but never implemented.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Or maybe there should be some kind of transfer... If you don't do something with an idea for 6 months it automatically gets put up for sale for $1 or $5
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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On August 18, 2007, 12:50 pm ccozad said:
Or maybe there should be some kind of transfer... If you don't do something with an idea for 6 months it automatically gets put up for sale for $1 or $5
I don't agree with that. I put a business online as a test to see how the system works, but my test is an actual business that I would like to implement.
Selling it for a dollar would be a bit heart-breaking.
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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I'd also like to recommend that formatting controls be added to the personal profiles. My biography displays as one, huge paragraph, and looks as if it were written by James Joyce. (If only the writing was up to that caliber!)
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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Got a simple idea for the next version of CH.com: A Favorites folder, underneath the Ideas section of the website, in order to keep our favorite ideas.
This would enable users to keep track of conversations or votes on their favorite ideas. It would also help to grow their ideas from the ideas seeded throughout similar ideas.
This would enable users to keep track of conversations or votes on their favorite ideas. It would also help to grow their ideas from the ideas seeded throughout similar ideas.
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kponeill
Member since: Aug 13, 2007 Rank: Peasant (1 Post) |
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On August 17, 2007, 11:02 am Blue said:
1) How ACTIVE is the business?
2) What STAGE is the business in (envisioning/developing/beta/generating revenue/profitable/for sale)
3) How many PROJECT MEMBERS? With a link.
4) How many JOBS are posted for this business? With a link.
5) FUNDING status / requirements. How much funding does the business have, how much is it raising?
6) REMUNERATION options (one or more of: hourly $/RPs, per-task $/RPs)
I'm a new member, and had similar thoughts. I've looked through the Businesses, and quite honestly looked only at those with more than one member or with jobs posted. A good search function, for businesses and ideas, would be most appreciated.
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Christine
Member since: Jun 13, 2006 Rank: Warrior (217 Posts) |
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Searching for work like you can on elance would be super cool (but of course better than elance, since their usability sucks)
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Christine
Member since: Jun 13, 2006 Rank: Warrior (217 Posts) |
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It would be cool if there was a section that outlined a little more clearly "so you have a great idea - how do you crowdsource it?" If there was a process and the supporting tools I think that could help a lot more people get started.
Sites that I found that could provide inspiration for features:
Entrepreneur Assist, by Entrepreneur.com
http://assist.entrep...r/overview_home.html
Mastercard small business
http://www.mastercar.../smallbiz/index.html
Sites that I found that could provide inspiration for features:
Entrepreneur Assist, by Entrepreneur.com
http://assist.entrep...r/overview_home.html
Mastercard small business
http://www.mastercar.../smallbiz/index.html
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On August 18, 2007, 12:35 pm cybercerberus said:
On August 18, 2007, 12:00 pm christopherritter said:
A delete button on the ideas / business would be helpful. I might be missing the one for businesses, but this would help cut down on the one-man business ideas that are out there.
Yes, yes it would. A recycle bin has been suggested but never implemented.
I have to disagree with the emphatic double yes. I don't think that this would really clean up much of the one man businesses. I can think of 100 reasons why people will just leave their one man business and never send it to the recycle bin. The biggest reason being that people are lazy and don't care. A few kind souls might help a little, but I'd guess the majority of 1 man businesses aren't going to take the time to delete their business if it should be.
The feature is still needed, but my point is don't expect that to clean up the list of businesses.
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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On August 20, 2007, 11:08 am techguy said:
The feature is still needed, but my point is don't expect that to clean up the list of businesses.
I agree. Would help to have a clean-up process where six months(?) of inactivity would place it in the recycle bin -- thus allowing folks to remove it from the bin if they ever decided to work on the business after six months.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see a feature where i can create a list of "favorites" of ideas and businesses which i like and also track on which ideas i've commented.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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I agree that setting watchlists on businesses, ideas and forum threads on a single page would make it far easier to navigate to specific areas of interest (and avoid wading through less active areas).
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On August 21, 2007, 5:07 am zentropy said:
I'd like to see a feature where i can create a list of "favorites" of ideas and businesses which i like and also track on which ideas i've commented.
There kind of is this feature for businesses. It's called joining a business and then in your profile it's the businesses link. Definitely not ideal, but it's what I use to track the ones that interest me most.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see SSL implemented when users access/change their profile.
I'm wondering if personal information is sent "naked"(not encrypted) over the web when calling the information from the CH server and when saving it to the CH server.(Which i suspect it is, because i see no "lock" in the browser)
I'm wondering if personal information is sent "naked"(not encrypted) over the web when calling the information from the CH server and when saving it to the CH server.(Which i suspect it is, because i see no "lock" in the browser)
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Good catch. I would like to see the ability to hide or show messages on our water cooler.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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Maybe SSL can also be used for the login process on CH.
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Brenden
Member since: Feb 3, 2007 Rank: Viking King (767 Posts) |
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I like this video question idea... there should be a way to ask questions though youtube.
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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On August 16, 2007, 5:54 am fossiloflife said:
well lately i have come across so many spam thts its irritatin me! i guess 3.0 should tackle it!
In CH 3.0 should be a 'report spam' button for messages I think (message will be forwarded to CH and they can ban the user or whatever they do with spammers (maybe ban the IP adres of the user?))
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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On September 1, 2007, 5:35 am JelmerBV said:
On August 16, 2007, 5:54 am fossiloflife said:
well lately i have come across so many spam thts its irritatin me! i guess 3.0 should tackle it!
In CH 3.0 should be a 'report spam' button for messages I think (message will be forwarded to CH and they can ban the user or whatever they do with spammers (maybe ban the IP adres of the user?))
Like this idea!!!
Tommy
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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The website needs a smaller foot print. There are way to many images it takes forever to load the thing even with DSL. I feel sad for all the 56k people.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Also, stop the 2.0 3.0 thing. There is no point for the .0 part there is never a 2.5, 2.4, etc... there is just no need. I am sick of the 2.0 talk all ready.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Also, there should be an edit button for idea comments to fix spelling errors. At least for some time frame.
Also, what about a FAQ part in the idea post. I find that people tend to keep asking me questions that have all ready been answered.
Also, what about a FAQ part in the idea post. I find that people tend to keep asking me questions that have all ready been answered.
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ozzyG
Member since: Sep 2, 2007 Rank: Peasant (1 Post) |
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CH I believe should develop into a network of incubators, where they can join the CH as an incubator and either offer help on needed services, funding, etc, or select businesses to develop with their management, select users to work with them, etc. Each idea or businesses submitter can select to allow the business to be bought by Incubator with management rights in return of certain royalties. The CH can I believe become a real powerhouse. It is very crucial to have your ideas tested and receive help from memebers, but for an idea to become a healthy business or a success story there is still lot more to be done. Lot of the members probably have a regular job with a dream of one day making their ideas happen or lot of times see it happen, and would be more than willing to have their ideas executed by a body who has more power and chance to make it given that they will keep some royalties.
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anathema
Member since: Apr 13, 2007 Rank: Merchant (36 Posts) |
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Can we please have an RSS feed of comments on each idea, similar to the ones for forum posts. This would make the whole thing far easier to keep track of. Currently it is necessary to keep going back to ideas to check for comments.
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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I like the idea of adding ideas to a list of favorites. This would allow you to keep track of your favorite ideas and see any new comments or changes made. The RSS idea fits well into a list of favorites!
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saigon
Member since: Apr 19, 2007 Rank: Chief (405 Posts) |
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On August 18, 2007, 2:21 pm christopherritter said:
On August 18, 2007, 12:50 pm ccozad said:
Or maybe there should be some kind of transfer... If you don't do something with an idea for 6 months it automatically gets put up for sale for $1 or $5
I don't agree with that. I put a business online as a test to see how the system works, but my test is an actual business that I would like to implement.
Selling it for a dollar would be a bit heart-breaking.
agrees...
Btw if SPAM button will be back how about a REFINE button?
All raw ideas that has hit of 3 or more REFINE button from the crowd will be invisible(not deleted) in the round and the author will get notification for him to refine it further to enable to catch up on that round ..since some IDEA submitter with so so concept tends to leave their creation and dont even look back or rebut actively.
What do you think?
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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I still would like a real delete button.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Also, CH should use fluid pages or wider pages. There is never enough space.
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jpsantis
Member since: May 19, 2007 Rank: Merchant (11 Posts) |
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hi!
i posted this as an idea originally, but i was quickly called to order. anyways, i had not come around to repost and i think this is where it goes... so goes like this:
All I want for CH 3.0 so far is all that good stuff up here and also the ability to send my very special ultra VIP friends invitations to join CH in the form of prezzles 
. a cipher one would be great, the more challenging the better.
the elevator pitch read:
PS. if it catches on, also and give us embeded invitations for other [community]sites and forums. also another good thin would be to have private pickup URLs in plain text for when you have only text available as a tool, say YouTube comments.
Thanks!
i posted this as an idea originally, but i was quickly called to order
. anyways, i had not come around to repost and i think this is where it goes... so goes like this: All I want for CH 3.0 so far is all that good stuff up here and also the ability to send my very special ultra VIP friends invitations to join CH in the form of prezzles
. a cipher one would be great, the more challenging the better. the elevator pitch read:
For every ch member who wants to give the special gif 'and' honor of the Cambrian House prezzle invitations is a beautiful gift that will give them inmense satisfaction. Unlike most other sites our product rocks.
PS. if it catches on, also and give us embeded invitations for other [community]sites and forums. also another good thin would be to have private pickup URLs in plain text for when you have only text available as a tool, say YouTube comments.
Thanks!
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CyberCerberus
Member since: Jul 6, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1181 Posts) |
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On September 7, 2007, 6:48 pm Kevin_Cox said:
I still would like a real delete button.
Me too. I hate my stupid cluttered idea list.
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argv
Member since: Jul 31, 2006 Rank: Peasant (2 Posts) |
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Dear Friends:
I would like to help in the development of the CH 3.0, I'll do it for free... I just want this to work... as our wildest dreams...
I would like to help in the development of the CH 3.0, I'll do it for free... I just want this to work... as our wildest dreams...
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LoveTech
Member since: Feb 8, 2007 Rank: Noble (98 Posts) |
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I wish that CH 3.0 would also provide for a collaborration platform not only in the idea and business development phase but also in the implementation phase. If for example there's already a business working in my locality and plan to expand/replicate it in other countries, there is a way that someone from crowd can vie to be its contact person cum business development officer in his/her country of origin. This way,opportunities of being a community member of CH can be expanded beyond being just a venue to develop ideas. Moreover, businesses developed at CH will have immediate potential for global roll out if there is a mechanism for this type of collaboration.
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LoveTech
Member since: Feb 8, 2007 Rank: Noble (98 Posts) |
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What ever happen to the Psycsplash suggestion about CH Chapter Building? Will CH 3.0 allow and provide collaboration platform for local chapters?
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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Stop calling it 3.0! It is just CH3! There are no other versions. That is all 2.0 talk adding the extra point zero.
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CyberCerberus
Member since: Jul 6, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1181 Posts) |
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On September 17, 2007, 2:19 pm Kevin_Cox said:
Stop calling it 3.0! It is just CH3! There are no other versions. That is all 2.0 talk adding the extra point zero.
Throwing "dot oh" at the end of things makes it clear that you're talking about something computery.
I'm kidding, of course. CH3 is more accurate. In fact, I think we should even start calling it CH III because that feels more cinematic.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Is there any kind of published road map for CH?
Maybe we can drop the 3.0 moniker and use a code name instead. Does CH 3.0 have a code name? If it doesn't my vote is "Operation Judo Chop"
Maybe we can drop the 3.0 moniker and use a code name instead. Does CH 3.0 have a code name? If it doesn't my vote is "Operation Judo Chop"
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micco
Member since: Mar 28, 2007 Rank: Warrior (233 Posts) |
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On September 17, 2007, 2:19 pm Kevin_Cox said:
Stop calling it 3.0! It is just CH3! There are no other versions. That is all 2.0 talk adding the extra point zero.
Don't try to trick us by dropping the minor version number. 3.0 is dead out of the gate, and you know no one will bother using it until at least 3.1 SP4.
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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I would liek to see a world map with your "friends" mapped out on it
Tommy
Tommy
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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On September 18, 2007, 1:31 am vanhees said:
I would liek to see a world map with your "friends" mapped out on it
Tommy
Nice idea ^^
P.S. You can also use the 'Edit Post' button to change mistakes in your forum post (but it doesn't give you more glory points
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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On September 18, 2007, 7:56 am JelmerBV said:
P.S. You can also use the 'Edit Post' button to change mistakes in your forum post (but it doesn't give you more glory points
How funny I nver notices this option.
Thanks
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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nver = never
(just joking)
(just joking)
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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On September 18, 2007, 7:56 am JelmerBV said:
P.S. You can also use the 'Edit Post' button to change mistakes in your forum post (but it doesn't give you more glory points
This would be handy on the Ideas as well, knowing that are mistypes aren't simply limited to the forums.
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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On September 19, 2007, 8:00 am cRitter said:
On September 18, 2007, 7:56 am JelmerBV said:
P.S. You can also use the 'Edit Post' button to change mistakes in your forum post (but it doesn't give you more glory points
This would be handy on the Ideas as well, knowing that are mistypes aren't simply limited to the forums.
Just use the "Refine idea" option and you can chage your mistake
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Using "Edit Post" ] Or do you use this function for the comments on an idea?
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cRitter
Member since: Aug 15, 2007 Rank: Warrior (105 Posts) |
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On September 19, 2007, 9:32 am JelmerBV said:
Or do you use this function for the comments on an idea?
Yes, comments on an idea. I know it's not that big of a deal to respond with a grammatical error, but what can I say? I feel it somehow denigrates the wisdom of the response.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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On September 19, 2007, 10:47 am cRitter said:
On September 19, 2007, 9:32 am JelmerBV said:
Or do you use this function for the comments on an idea?
Yes, comments on an idea. I know it's not that big of a deal to respond with a grammatical error, but what can I say? I feel it somehow denigrates the wisdom of the response.
Stop using words like 'denigrates' and you'll have less problems with spelling
Or just get the latest version of firefox that has spell check built in to anything you can type in
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mlimotte
Member since: Sep 21, 2007 Rank: Peasant (1 Post) |
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On August 21, 2007, 7:29 am siddey said:
I agree that setting watchlists on businesses, ideas and forum threads on a single page would make it far easier to navigate to specific areas of interest (and avoid wading through less active areas).
I like this idea also. I'd like to be able to follow the ideas that I've submitted comments on. Maybe we can set it to auto-watch anything that we've commented on.
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doublelibra
Member since: Sep 3, 2007 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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*watchlists & rss feeds - a must. i need to ask ccozad how he does it b/c i see he always goes back to re-comment on ideas, which is very diligent.
*more sophisticated ranking
initially thought it'd be cool to be able to rank humor of ideas. (god i always think along CH idea layout lines now...)
-ideas are good in different ways, maybe we can have classes of rankings, or somehow make rankings more nuanced than just a universal 5-star system. this could eliminate the need for spin-off sites (i.e. green initiatives) like someone suggested.
-also in this could be a weedout system to 'get the crap out'. along those lines, i like saigon's 'refine' flag idea (in addition to junk flag), a critical mass of which will kick it back to the contributor.
however, hate to be talkin' all conservative n sh*t, but i do think that's a slippery slope of sorts. i'm alliterating like a wildman. i can already tell that CHers get better the more they use the site, and i'd hate newcomers to be scared off by more seasoned vets quickly 'yelling' their idea down.
-whatever weedout system you guys come up with, i'd suggest a very polite system response be sent to the contributor, with lots of info & resources for help.
*collapsible comments
someone posted a dictionary (literally!!) in my idea, it's informative but it'd be nice to collapse, since I'd hate my idea to spread scroller-finger-soreness or carpal tunnel.
*more sophisticated ranking
initially thought it'd be cool to be able to rank humor of ideas. (god i always think along CH idea layout lines now...)
-ideas are good in different ways, maybe we can have classes of rankings, or somehow make rankings more nuanced than just a universal 5-star system. this could eliminate the need for spin-off sites (i.e. green initiatives) like someone suggested.
-also in this could be a weedout system to 'get the crap out'. along those lines, i like saigon's 'refine' flag idea (in addition to junk flag), a critical mass of which will kick it back to the contributor.
however, hate to be talkin' all conservative n sh*t, but i do think that's a slippery slope of sorts. i'm alliterating like a wildman. i can already tell that CHers get better the more they use the site, and i'd hate newcomers to be scared off by more seasoned vets quickly 'yelling' their idea down.
-whatever weedout system you guys come up with, i'd suggest a very polite system response be sent to the contributor, with lots of info & resources for help.
*collapsible comments
someone posted a dictionary (literally!!) in my idea, it's informative but it'd be nice to collapse, since I'd hate my idea to spread scroller-finger-soreness or carpal tunnel.
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doublelibra
Member since: Sep 3, 2007 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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oh yeah and on the 'points for friends' topic - i was indeed thinking that everybody would be friends w/ everyone else on the site before long, since points are given for that.
maybe you can only befriend someone who you've commented on one of their ideas. guess that could be abused easily but maybe a junk flag on comments? that has to be confirmed?
speaking of points i should've split my last reply into 3 replies for more points
maybe you can only befriend someone who you've commented on one of their ideas. guess that could be abused easily but maybe a junk flag on comments? that has to be confirmed?
speaking of points i should've split my last reply into 3 replies for more points
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doublelibra
Member since: Sep 3, 2007 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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hehe - seriously, not trying to improve my rank here with extra posts, just thought of something to add...
on the junk flag confirmation note...
maybe there could be an amazon m-turk type of system within CH, where you can sign on to some really mundane tasks (like confirming junk flags on comments and/or ideas) for cambros.
junk-flagged comments that require approval would create a lot of work, but could be useful as well, so any actions like that could go into an m-turk pool.
on the junk flag confirmation note...
maybe there could be an amazon m-turk type of system within CH, where you can sign on to some really mundane tasks (like confirming junk flags on comments and/or ideas) for cambros.
junk-flagged comments that require approval would create a lot of work, but could be useful as well, so any actions like that could go into an m-turk pool.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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On October 2, 2007, 4:32 am doublelibra said:
*watchlists & rss feeds - a must. i need to ask ccozad how he does it b/c i see he always goes back to re-comment on ideas, which is very diligent.
Part of it is just a good memory...One of my goals in life is to make it onto Jeopardy
The other part is I have a lot of people on my friends list, so I just check for activity in my profile. If I see a comment on an idea I have commented on I revisit it. I also spend WAY too much time here, that doesn't hurt either
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bcforrester
Member since: Jul 9, 2007 Rank: Peasant (6 Posts) |
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The quantity of ideas this week (185) has driven me a little crazy when I encounter SPAM or ideas where clearly no thought has go into them (one liners etc). It would be nice to have these disappear automatically once a certain negative number is reached. This would leave the majority with more time to spend on valid ideas.
Perhaps the disappearance could be gently just in case there is a real idea in there.
Perhaps the disappearance could be gently just in case there is a real idea in there.
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doublelibra
Member since: Sep 3, 2007 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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Actually after further thought I don't think I like the idea of automatic removal of negatively voted ideas, I worry about that somehow...
But I was thinking that, before the real voting starts, (which is quite a while right? at least this last time), ideas can be in pre-voting, where the various flagging can happen (junk, BTTDB: back to the drawing board, etc), and initial voting. That way we're not rushed to vote on 185 ideas in just a few days' time, and it gives contributors time to refine, take suggestions, edit, etc etc to get their idea back into the official voting.
Also I reiterate the idea about different kinds of rating - I am continually encountering ideas that I give the contributor the impression is a bad idea, but's just not appropriate for CH. Like a "Good idea but not a business" scale. Or just have a few scales present that you vote on all. Viability, creativity, etc - and those are combined to create a total. That way you know more clearly which criteria your idea is failing the most
One more idea - interpersonal toolbar (friend request, hat tip, etc) available directly within comments.
But I was thinking that, before the real voting starts, (which is quite a while right? at least this last time), ideas can be in pre-voting, where the various flagging can happen (junk, BTTDB: back to the drawing board, etc), and initial voting. That way we're not rushed to vote on 185 ideas in just a few days' time, and it gives contributors time to refine, take suggestions, edit, etc etc to get their idea back into the official voting.
Also I reiterate the idea about different kinds of rating - I am continually encountering ideas that I give the contributor the impression is a bad idea, but's just not appropriate for CH. Like a "Good idea but not a business" scale. Or just have a few scales present that you vote on all. Viability, creativity, etc - and those are combined to create a total. That way you know more clearly which criteria your idea is failing the most
One more idea - interpersonal toolbar (friend request, hat tip, etc) available directly within comments.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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One idea I had was some sort of five spoke or six spoke rating widget to allow just such a thing. Think like the things that display your fighting style in fighting games (like soul caliber) Each spoke has a rating criteria, like how feasible it is, management and some other criteria I mentioned on a post about a month ago.
If CH wants to pass some glory or cambros my way I'll get back to work on making my little flash multi dimensional rating widget....
If CH wants to pass some glory or cambros my way I'll get back to work on making my little flash multi dimensional rating widget....
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to be able to vote on ideas AJAX style. (Without the page reloading)
I can do AJAX, so if anyone from CH is interested in implementing that(or something else) feel free to message me.
I can do AJAX, so if anyone from CH is interested in implementing that(or something else) feel free to message me.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Nice plug
I have actually heard through the grape vine that Zentropy does great work.
I have actually heard through the grape vine that Zentropy does great work.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Zentropy - please keep pushing your AJAX services!
I would love to see the thumbnail view of ideas return and we can then vote on them from a single page without having to re-load each time.
CH'ers will no doubt grimace, knowing that the beating hearts of their frail server/s will finally stop but there's always new hardware!
I also like earlier suggestions of widening the areas available for displaying forum posts etc.
I would love to see the thumbnail view of ideas return and we can then vote on them from a single page without having to re-load each time.
CH'ers will no doubt grimace, knowing that the beating hearts of their frail server/s will finally stop but there's always new hardware!
I also like earlier suggestions of widening the areas available for displaying forum posts etc.
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Elmer
Member since: Sep 14, 2007 Rank: Merchant (18 Posts) |
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On September 18, 2007, 7:56 am JelmerBV said:
On September 18, 2007, 1:31 am vanhees said:
I would liek to see a world map with your "friends" mapped out on it
Tommy
Nice idea ^^
P.S. You can also use the 'Edit Post' button to change mistakes in your forum post (but it doesn't give you more glory points
hopefully we can also edit our comments in the ideas...
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see a number on the people>explore page which shows how many members CH currently has. (Updating with every new registration)
That way we can all see how the community grows.
That way we can all see how the community grows.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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I would like to see a way to publish "press releases" from a business. Then if a business has a milestone they want to share they easily can. This would take some of the burden off of the CH staff.
I would also like to see the ability to pay a business in cambros. (So if my business does a job for a fellow CH member, they can pay the business instead of the individual)
I would also like to see the ability to pay a business in cambros. (So if my business does a job for a fellow CH member, they can pay the business instead of the individual)
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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On October 4, 2007, 7:11 pm ccozad said:
I would also like to see the ability to pay a business in cambros. (So if my business does a job for a fellow CH member, they can pay the business instead of the individual)
Nice one.
Additionally maybe also business to business payments could be possible.(additional to member to business payments)
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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I was thinking the same Forgot to add that part.
Basic idea is to help build a strong intra-CH economy.
Forgot to add that part. Basic idea is to help build a strong intra-CH economy.
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On October 4, 2007, 11:35 pm ccozad said:
I was thinking the same
Basic idea is to help build a strong intra-CH economy.
I talked to CH and they'd talked about this before. In the meantime I was looking at just creating a generic CH account with the name of the business. Then, I'd transfer Cambros to that account and use it like the business account.
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LarsBell
Member since: Aug 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (83 Posts) |
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On October 2, 2007, 10:15 pm doublelibra said:
Actually after further thought I don't think I like the idea of automatic removal of negatively voted ideas, I worry about that somehow...
But I was thinking that, before the real voting starts, (which is quite a while right? at least this last time), ideas can be in pre-voting, where the various flagging can happen (junk, BTTDB: back to the drawing board, etc), and initial voting. That way we're not rushed to vote on 185 ideas in just a few days' time, and it gives contributors time to refine, take suggestions, edit, etc etc to get their idea back into the official voting.
Also I reiterate the idea about different kinds of rating - I am continually encountering ideas that I give the contributor the impression is a bad idea, but's just not appropriate for CH. Like a "Good idea but not a business" scale. Or just have a few scales present that you vote on all. Viability, creativity, etc - and those are combined to create a total. That way you know more clearly which criteria your idea is failing the most
I like this suggestion by doublelibra.
I think some categories of stars would be more helpful. Here are my suggestions.
Market - Would people be willing to pay for it.
Technical feasiblity - Can it be accomplished. ( a time machine would sell like hot cakes, but it can't be built with currently available technology).
Competition - Is someone already doing it? Is a current CH idea working on it?
Plus what other have suggested of "funny" and "appropriate"
Lars
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Lars - I tend to agree and it's something that has been raised on a few occasions during CH's existence.
Even if the multi-categories didn't directly impact the overall vote, I think the extra information would help to make people think a little more about the maturity / readyness of an idea to proceed.
We could track changes for an idea not in the current voting round to see if they're improving their pitch.
So - how controversial would it be then to only let ideas with certain ratings enter the weekly competition?
Even if the multi-categories didn't directly impact the overall vote, I think the extra information would help to make people think a little more about the maturity / readyness of an idea to proceed.
We could track changes for an idea not in the current voting round to see if they're improving their pitch.
So - how controversial would it be then to only let ideas with certain ratings enter the weekly competition?
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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I like the multi-dimensional approach. At the moment, (being a bit frustrated with the site), I'd even consider taking a stab at it with the current framework, except I worry that >1 dimension (if only 1 then its simply quality) means slower voting process and greater server load (slowing down the site).
Is there a UI where >1 dimension could be collected in a single pass? I'm not saying its possible or intuitive, but if anyone has seen such a thing, please share the URL.
On a 2D space, someone could click on a space which represents X=Quality Y=Appropriateness. Yeah, terrible idea I know (takes up space and is non-intuitive).
And of course, it could be done in an understandable way by letting them click on the number of stars particular to that dimension. Quality: 1-5 stars, Appropriateness: 1-5 stars, Crowdsourceability: 1-5 stars. Quite likely that's the way to go. Just wondering if there's a funky UI that might force input of all dimensions at once.
Is there a UI where >1 dimension could be collected in a single pass? I'm not saying its possible or intuitive, but if anyone has seen such a thing, please share the URL.
On a 2D space, someone could click on a space which represents X=Quality Y=Appropriateness. Yeah, terrible idea I know (takes up space and is non-intuitive).
And of course, it could be done in an understandable way by letting them click on the number of stars particular to that dimension. Quality: 1-5 stars, Appropriateness: 1-5 stars, Crowdsourceability: 1-5 stars. Quite likely that's the way to go. Just wondering if there's a funky UI that might force input of all dimensions at once.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Simple is good. I like the basic idea of multiple rows of stars.
This feature will help to focus some of the idea comments as well, with people being able to target those aspects of an idea that need some extra polish and hopefully giving practical advice.
This feature will help to focus some of the idea comments as well, with people being able to target those aspects of an idea that need some extra polish and hopefully giving practical advice.
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LarsBell
Member since: Aug 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (83 Posts) |
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With the current system when someone votes with only 1 star we know that they don't like the idea. But we dont' know why. With multiple stars it starts to give us better feedback that right now we only get with comments.
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Just to make this more complicated I also think we should add an element of "forcefullness" or "certainty" or "confidence" to our votes.
For example if I was voting on an idea in the catagory of "technical feasiblity" and I thought it was very feasible to build I would vote 5 stars in that catagory. But if had actually built something similar in my garage as a hobby my certainty that it could be done would be much much higher. I would want to give it "5 stars + plus."
On the other hand if I was voting on an the "market size" of a product that was going to be sold to Indonesian Woman (who I don't know much about because I don't know any and I'm not one), Then I don't want to say that it is a bad idea or a good idea. I want to discount the wieght of my vote. I'm admitting that I don't know much on that subject, and the system shouldn't count my vote in that category heavily either way. I could vote just 2 or 3 stars. But that is not correct either, because there is a difference between saying that an idea is mediocore and saying I don't know if it is a good or bad idea.
To keep people from putting the "plus" on all of their votes maybe limit that option to 3 per week. Or maybe make it so the total number of plus and minus confidence changes have to balance for each person every week.
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Just to make this more complicated I also think we should add an element of "forcefullness" or "certainty" or "confidence" to our votes.
For example if I was voting on an idea in the catagory of "technical feasiblity" and I thought it was very feasible to build I would vote 5 stars in that catagory. But if had actually built something similar in my garage as a hobby my certainty that it could be done would be much much higher. I would want to give it "5 stars + plus."
On the other hand if I was voting on an the "market size" of a product that was going to be sold to Indonesian Woman (who I don't know much about because I don't know any and I'm not one), Then I don't want to say that it is a bad idea or a good idea. I want to discount the wieght of my vote. I'm admitting that I don't know much on that subject, and the system shouldn't count my vote in that category heavily either way. I could vote just 2 or 3 stars. But that is not correct either, because there is a difference between saying that an idea is mediocore and saying I don't know if it is a good or bad idea.
To keep people from putting the "plus" on all of their votes maybe limit that option to 3 per week. Or maybe make it so the total number of plus and minus confidence changes have to balance for each person every week.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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In the list of jobs in the jobs panel of a CH business i would like for each entry to have a check box, so that if the check box is checked the job will also be posted in the bazaar.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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Simple is good. I like the basic idea of multiple rows of stars.
...(siddey) yes, I'm pretty sure I'll have to go that way as anything else would be crazy confusing. But I was hoping there was some neat way of capturing more meaning with a single click that was still simple. Guess not.
Just to make this more complicated I also think we should add an element of "forcefullness" or "certainty" or "confidence" to our votes.
...(LarsBell) I think that'll be binary... If votes are broken down into multiple categories, then no every category will need to be filled, so uncertainty will be reflected as not voting in that category. Maybe a FAVORITE of the week (or MOST XYZ of the week) will give extra emphasis for a category.
Maybe I can move the voting mechanism into same space on screen as comment field, but I'd feel funny putting voting tool on bottom... DOES ANYONE FEEL REVERSING THE ORDER OF CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE TOO CONFUSING. Of course it would have to happen EVERYWHERE on the site. I think the online world hasn't reached a consensus on that... if minor layout reasons pushed us towards newest-to-latest comments and forums... WOULD ANYONE CARE?
In the list of jobs in the jobs panel of a CH business i would like for each entry to have a check box, so that if the check box is checked the job will also be posted in the bazaar.
...(zentropy), good call. I can't see myself getting to that any time soon, but yes it should be done.
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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I believe when Gord said newest-to-latest, he actually meant newest-to-oldest. HAHAHA, silly Gord!
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see a time-stamp added to RSS entries that get sent out. In periodes where quite some people reply to 1 thread there will be a list of the same forum thread titles entering one's rss client. It's quite hard to discern in such a case if there actually has been made a new reply.
Maybe rather than a time-stamp, something like x minutes/hours/days ago would be better, not sure if that can be done with rss though.
Maybe rather than a time-stamp, something like x minutes/hours/days ago would be better, not sure if that can be done with rss though.
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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"capturing more meaning with a single click that was still simple. Guess not."
Well you could have vertical and horizontal rows.
***X* Funny
***** Creative
12345
You click once and you vote for two things. So you think the idea is a 4 star and funny you vote in row funny with star 4 rate overall.
Well you could have vertical and horizontal rows.
***X* Funny
***** Creative
12345
You click once and you vote for two things. So you think the idea is a 4 star and funny you vote in row funny with star 4 rate overall.
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LarsBell
Member since: Aug 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (83 Posts) |
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Maybe a different model for evaluating ideas. In the USA congress they have committees. An idea (law/bill) has to pass through different committees before it gets to be voted on by the "full house". Then it is sent to the administration for implementation.
Maybe we could do the same thing. Have people serve on as many or as few commitees as they wanted to. All ideas would have to pass through essential ones. So all ideas would go to "Market/Real People would pay Money for this". But only software ideas would go to "Software Technical". Ad hoc ones could be made for unusual ideas. But there would be some standing ones.
This would allow people to see ideas and aspects of ideas that interested them most.
It also would keep silly ideas from bogging down the system, while not banning them either. They would just get stuck in one committee.
Maybe we could do the same thing. Have people serve on as many or as few commitees as they wanted to. All ideas would have to pass through essential ones. So all ideas would go to "Market/Real People would pay Money for this". But only software ideas would go to "Software Technical". Ad hoc ones could be made for unusual ideas. But there would be some standing ones.
This would allow people to see ideas and aspects of ideas that interested them most.
It also would keep silly ideas from bogging down the system, while not banning them either. They would just get stuck in one committee.
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Cateh
Member since: Mar 5, 2007 Rank: Merchant (34 Posts) |
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LarsBell: I'm with you regarding trying to filter out the fluff here on CH but I personally think what you are describing sounds more like democracy than 'crowdocrasy'.
The wisdom of crowds needs diversity (amongst other things) to operate effectively though and I think having committees in such early stages of idea pitching would serve to add a complexity which would put a lot of people off posting if they have to 'jump through hoops' initially. That being said, committees of 'expert/interested' groups as you describe might be a great resource for winners of weekly comps where they could further develop and refine ideas.
To remove the fluff I think we need to be more disciplined as a community and ignore (SOOOO hard sometimes!!) or vote down the trash.
The wisdom of crowds needs diversity (amongst other things) to operate effectively though and I think having committees in such early stages of idea pitching would serve to add a complexity which would put a lot of people off posting if they have to 'jump through hoops' initially. That being said, committees of 'expert/interested' groups as you describe might be a great resource for winners of weekly comps where they could further develop and refine ideas.
To remove the fluff I think we need to be more disciplined as a community and ignore (SOOOO hard sometimes!!) or vote down the trash.
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Cateh
Member since: Mar 5, 2007 Rank: Merchant (34 Posts) |
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Oh... and Gord.... any chance of a huge sign at the CH3 entrance saying something like:
Welcome to Cambrian House - please don't feed the trolls
Welcome to Cambrian House - please don't feed the trolls
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LarsBell
Member since: Aug 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (83 Posts) |
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Ok, maybe new ideas would go into a "raw" idea pool. Members who wanted to wade through that would be welcome to do so and make comments and suggestions. Only when idea got "sponsored" (ie 4 or 5 stars) from at least 5 members with more than 200 glory points would the idea get entered into the ideawarz.
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LarsBell
Member since: Aug 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (83 Posts) |
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People might like the structure. A clearly laid out 10 step process to makeing your idea a reality (or something like that).
Right now they just dump their idea into the mix and hope something good comes of it.
It would have to be flexible. Maybe the person submitting the idea would choose which 3 committees they wanted their idea to pass through.
I agree we need diversity. Which is why anyone could serve on any committe they wanted.
But we also need to put our skills to the best use. Right now I'm voting on ideas where I don't understand the industry or can't relate to the market. I (and other people too) would be of greater use if I spent more time on ideas where my imput is of more value and let other people do the other ones.
Right now they just dump their idea into the mix and hope something good comes of it.
It would have to be flexible. Maybe the person submitting the idea would choose which 3 committees they wanted their idea to pass through.
I agree we need diversity. Which is why anyone could serve on any committe they wanted.
But we also need to put our skills to the best use. Right now I'm voting on ideas where I don't understand the industry or can't relate to the market. I (and other people too) would be of greater use if I spent more time on ideas where my imput is of more value and let other people do the other ones.
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LarsBell
Member since: Aug 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (83 Posts) |
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People might like the structure. A clearly laid out 10 step process to makeing your idea a reality (or something like that).
Right now they just dump their idea into the mix and hope something good comes of it.
It would have to be flexible. Maybe the person submitting the idea would choose which 3 committees they wanted their idea to pass through.
I agree we need diversity. Which is why anyone could serve on any committe they wanted.
But we also need to put our skills to the best use. Right now I'm voting on ideas where I don't understand the industry or can't relate to the market. I (and other people too) would be of greater use if I spent more time on ideas where my imput is of more value and let other people do the other ones.
Right now they just dump their idea into the mix and hope something good comes of it.
It would have to be flexible. Maybe the person submitting the idea would choose which 3 committees they wanted their idea to pass through.
I agree we need diversity. Which is why anyone could serve on any committe they wanted.
But we also need to put our skills to the best use. Right now I'm voting on ideas where I don't understand the industry or can't relate to the market. I (and other people too) would be of greater use if I spent more time on ideas where my imput is of more value and let other people do the other ones.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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I think raising too many hoops for people to jump through would seriously put people off.
The current system is supposed to see ideas submitted to the weekly competition so that during the course of that period the feedback received from the crowd encourages the idea submitter to refine and improve their idea.
It also helps them to start to plan more of their business execution strategy.
If people choose to ignore the feedback, then things generally don't proceed.
As you've said, it's true that not everyone is an expert in every field but you'd be surprised the value that can be added when the crowd throw an array of even the most general business or consumer focused questions at the owner.
You don't need to be a rocket scientist in order to help someone sell rockets.
The current system is supposed to see ideas submitted to the weekly competition so that during the course of that period the feedback received from the crowd encourages the idea submitter to refine and improve their idea.
It also helps them to start to plan more of their business execution strategy.
If people choose to ignore the feedback, then things generally don't proceed.
As you've said, it's true that not everyone is an expert in every field but you'd be surprised the value that can be added when the crowd throw an array of even the most general business or consumer focused questions at the owner.
You don't need to be a rocket scientist in order to help someone sell rockets.
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Cateh
Member since: Mar 5, 2007 Rank: Merchant (34 Posts) |
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I'm all for structure LarsBell (perhaps anally so!!) and although I stand by what I said previously (about wanting idea posting to be as easy/non-threatening for people), you do have a point that some may like the option of running the idea by those with specific expertise first.
My concern in having this as the only option is that I'd just hate to see ideas killed off in their infancy because someone felt afraid of the committee e.g. 'the camel quote'!
I'd like to see the idea posting screen have interface options allowing tags to be selected by the poster which can be subscribed to by CH members -
(e.g. if you are tagged as interested in say, 'Content Management systems' and an idea comes up which relates, you get emailed to say there's something of interest (shouldn't be too hard to implement with a dynamic list of interest tags pinched (oops I mean 'borrowed' from say, a recruitment site!).
That way:
1) members can focus more quickly on ideas they CAN help with and
2) Posters of ideas are more likely to get seen by those members of the crowd that can initially assist
(mind you I agree with Siddey that many times the most useful questions and helpful answers come from those with NO experience at all in a field - the wisdom of crowds relies on the curiosity and stubbornness of humans sometimes!!)
My concern in having this as the only option is that I'd just hate to see ideas killed off in their infancy because someone felt afraid of the committee e.g. 'the camel quote'!
I'd like to see the idea posting screen have interface options allowing tags to be selected by the poster which can be subscribed to by CH members -
(e.g. if you are tagged as interested in say, 'Content Management systems' and an idea comes up which relates, you get emailed to say there's something of interest (shouldn't be too hard to implement with a dynamic list of interest tags pinched (oops I mean 'borrowed'
from say, a recruitment site!). That way:
1) members can focus more quickly on ideas they CAN help with and
2) Posters of ideas are more likely to get seen by those members of the crowd that can initially assist
(mind you I agree with Siddey that many times the most useful questions and helpful answers come from those with NO experience at all in a field - the wisdom of crowds relies on the curiosity and stubbornness of humans sometimes!!)
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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I like the idea of tagging to alert interested parties.
Perhaps there is a middle ground for this. Perhaps all ideas are up for voting (by everyone), but if you want you can also submit your idea for review by some special committee.
Now the advantage for a user to submit to the committee is that the committee tries to give balanced feedback on your idea. (both pro and con arguments). The committee does this review by video or by the phone. The plus side of this is that it get more multimedia content for the site.
So being reviewed by committee becomes another "edge" action you can do for your idea (like uploading a commercial or images)
Perhaps there is a middle ground for this. Perhaps all ideas are up for voting (by everyone), but if you want you can also submit your idea for review by some special committee.
Now the advantage for a user to submit to the committee is that the committee tries to give balanced feedback on your idea. (both pro and con arguments). The committee does this review by video or by the phone. The plus side of this is that it get more multimedia content for the site.
So being reviewed by committee becomes another "edge" action you can do for your idea (like uploading a commercial or images)
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Cateh
Member since: Mar 5, 2007 Rank: Merchant (34 Posts) |
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World Time Clock:
On the theme of Vanhee's idea of the location map of members, as a nice-to-have feature in CH3 - how about a World Time/Date Clock (down to states/provinces/zone).
When you are collaborating around the world it's nice to have an idea what the time is in your team members' area.
The good 24 hour comparison listing World Clocks are also useful in order to schedule group chat sessions for idea collaboration.
Yes I know there's a heap of these out there online (so please don't post me the links!!!) but rather than have to leave CH it would be nice to have a CH community one (or a pop-up to a good one).
On the theme of Vanhee's idea of the location map of members, as a nice-to-have feature in CH3 - how about a World Time/Date Clock (down to states/provinces/zone).
When you are collaborating around the world it's nice to have an idea what the time is in your team members' area.
The good 24 hour comparison listing World Clocks are also useful in order to schedule group chat sessions for idea collaboration.
Yes I know there's a heap of these out there online (so please don't post me the links!!!) but rather than have to leave CH it would be nice to have a CH community one (or a pop-up to a good one).
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Cateh
Member since: Mar 5, 2007 Rank: Merchant (34 Posts) |
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Exactly what I had in mind ccozad.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Replace the word "committee" with "crowd" in the posts above and we're all currently using a website that offers this.
Crowds are easily joined, freely formed, vocal and quite often diversely populated.
Committees are for politicians, government bodies and procrastinators.
You have much better odds of obtaining that single piece of feedback that you had never thought of which will make your idea a success, if you avoid limiting feedback to a chosen few.
Quality feedback doesn't just come from a panel of subject matter experts, it comes from having a large pool of smart individuals like the CH community putting forward their views.
CH just needs to grow the crowd and unfortunately the company line is that will come with CH3.x. In the meantime we'll all just do the best we can with available resources.
Crowds are easily joined, freely formed, vocal and quite often diversely populated.
Committees are for politicians, government bodies and procrastinators.
You have much better odds of obtaining that single piece of feedback that you had never thought of which will make your idea a success, if you avoid limiting feedback to a chosen few.
Quality feedback doesn't just come from a panel of subject matter experts, it comes from having a large pool of smart individuals like the CH community putting forward their views.
CH just needs to grow the crowd and unfortunately the company line is that will come with CH3.x. In the meantime we'll all just do the best we can with available resources.
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Cateh
Member since: Mar 5, 2007 Rank: Merchant (34 Posts) |
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Hmmm not getting into nomenclature with you Siddey!
All I'm saying is that there should be the option of putting your ideas initially out there to the WHOLE crowd, or as per other posters, just a SUBSET of the crowd (call it what you will), that's all
All I'm saying is that there should be the option of putting your ideas initially out there to the WHOLE crowd, or as per other posters, just a SUBSET of the crowd (call it what you will), that's all
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micco
Member since: Mar 28, 2007 Rank: Warrior (233 Posts) |
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I think the idea of having to pass committees would really bog down the site. It would promote an elitist "insider" mindset among the committees and put off newcomers. Even if the committees are open to anyone, we all know that human nature is to form cliques and a site like this needs to build structure which will oppose that tendency, not reinforce it.
But I do think that the idea of having different rating criteria is very valuable. I've argued in the past that there should be multiple ratings so I could rate an idea differently for "innovative", "useful" and "practical". I see a lot of creative ideas that should be recognized as such, but until/unless the submitter can address concerns that make them completely impractical, my vote (if I voted) would be split between trying to reward the potential of the creativity and trying to weed out the ideas that could never come to fruition.
If we had different ratings for different aspects of an idea, then you have the same outcome as having special-topic committee reviews, but the committee membership is instant and ad hoc. Everyone can rate an idea on different criteria as if they were part of that committee, or they can skip a criterion if they have no knowledge of that aspect of the idea.
Having multiple ratings was criticized as being to cumbersome for easy voting. It might work to have one single input for a vote like we have now, but have additional optional ratings that could be applied. Many users have criticized the fact that you can vote on an idea without leaving a comment, which basically means you provide no feedback on the reason for your vote. Having some specific rating criteria in addition to your vote would be an easy way to obtain that feedback without every user having to type a comment on every idea.
But I do think that the idea of having different rating criteria is very valuable. I've argued in the past that there should be multiple ratings so I could rate an idea differently for "innovative", "useful" and "practical". I see a lot of creative ideas that should be recognized as such, but until/unless the submitter can address concerns that make them completely impractical, my vote (if I voted) would be split between trying to reward the potential of the creativity and trying to weed out the ideas that could never come to fruition.
If we had different ratings for different aspects of an idea, then you have the same outcome as having special-topic committee reviews, but the committee membership is instant and ad hoc. Everyone can rate an idea on different criteria as if they were part of that committee, or they can skip a criterion if they have no knowledge of that aspect of the idea.
Having multiple ratings was criticized as being to cumbersome for easy voting. It might work to have one single input for a vote like we have now, but have additional optional ratings that could be applied. Many users have criticized the fact that you can vote on an idea without leaving a comment, which basically means you provide no feedback on the reason for your vote. Having some specific rating criteria in addition to your vote would be an easy way to obtain that feedback without every user having to type a comment on every idea.
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Cateh
Member since: Mar 5, 2007 Rank: Merchant (34 Posts) |
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Heaven forbid the elitist committee/crowd filter!
I guess all I was putting out there Micco is that if some people initially wanted to bounce their idea off a smaller group they felt more comfortable with before throwing it to the whole crowd then that may go some way to neatly resolve LarsBell's original suggestin for filtering fluffy ideas (apologies to LarsBell for hijacking it!!).
I really like all the comments like yours posted about different rating options that allow for more practical input from voters. I too would love (simple star style) optional ratings for things such as "practicality" "commerciality" "marketability" "ease to crowd source".
Anyway, I'll butt out now...it's up to better minds than mine to resolve and implement all our wish lists in CH3.... I'm sure heaps of Jolt-fulled nights are being spend by Gord, Blue and everyone at CH HQ.
Thanks guys..
Excited about CH3 and looking forward to seeing it one day soon.
I guess all I was putting out there Micco is that if some people initially wanted to bounce their idea off a smaller group they felt more comfortable with before throwing it to the whole crowd then that may go some way to neatly resolve LarsBell's original suggestin for filtering fluffy ideas (apologies to LarsBell for hijacking it!!).
I really like all the comments like yours posted about different rating options that allow for more practical input from voters. I too would love (simple star style) optional ratings for things such as "practicality" "commerciality" "marketability" "ease to crowd source".
Anyway, I'll butt out now...it's up to better minds than mine to resolve and implement all our wish lists in CH3.... I'm sure heaps of Jolt-fulled nights are being spend by Gord, Blue and everyone at CH HQ.
Thanks guys..
Excited about CH3 and looking forward to seeing it one day soon.
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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On November 1, 2007, 9:05 pm Cateh said:
I'd like to see the idea posting screen have interface options allowing tags to be selected by the poster which can be subscribed to by CH members -
(e.g. if you are tagged as interested in say, 'Content Management systems' and an idea comes up which relates, you get emailed to say there's something of interest (shouldn't be too hard to implement with a dynamic list of interest tags pinched (oops I mean 'borrowed'
That way:
1) members can focus more quickly on ideas they CAN help with and
2) Posters of ideas are more likely to get seen by those members of the crowd that can initially assist
(mind you I agree with Siddey that many times the most useful questions and helpful answers come from those with NO experience at all in a field - the wisdom of crowds relies on the curiosity and stubbornness of humans sometimes!!)
I think this is a really interesting idea! I go through all of the ideas, but I'm more interested on helping on ideas that I'm good at and would be interested in a little nudge when those ideas come up. The only tricky thing about this is making sure everyone uses the same taxonomy. Otherwise, tagging isn't very useful.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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Cory Ross posted the following elsewhere, and I wanted to make sure it was represented here (as this is where we look for these insights). -g
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I participated in Gwabs, of course, but after that I settled down to build my skills for a while.
My beef is more that there isn't a good way to find businesses that match my skills, needs, and interests.
Tags are a nice touch, but that is kind of just throwing out a bunch of words and hoping they match something.
For CH 3.0, I would like to see a great algorithm for matching jobs to your skills, interests, etc. A much smarter matching algorithm than simple tags.
Example filters:
Owner has many technical skills.
Owner is popular, or has a good track record, or has a lot of glory points.
Owner has worked on other businesses.
Owner has cambros at disposal.
Owner is on the site a lot.
Filter business down to either application, game, or website.
Business has more than one person on the team.
People on the team have received cambros or royalties from the owner (shows they're active).
Business is fully developed (has a video, etc.).
Business won an IdeaWarz contest.
...Along with the old tag matching. Except, I think tags should be more for interest matching than skill matching.
etc.
As you can see, most of my problem is that with the majority of businesses on here, my work will be in vain if I help them out. A good idea is nothing without a dedicated owner and active support, and if the owner doesn't have technical skills and doesn't have cambros, how do I know he/she won't ditch it if I can no longer work on it? If I am the only person actually working on it, why don't I just work on my own stuff? I only want to work on businesses that will be successful.
The only businesses I have considered working for only royalties are businesses such as Film Funder, Spoil My Spouse, etc. because they had dedicated, skilled owners.
I would also like to see a nicer browse layout. The current one is so messy and needs lots of filters like I mentioned above.
The bazaar is pretty nice, but I would like to see more people looking for developers on it than people selling ideas.
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I participated in Gwabs, of course, but after that I settled down to build my skills for a while.
My beef is more that there isn't a good way to find businesses that match my skills, needs, and interests.
Tags are a nice touch, but that is kind of just throwing out a bunch of words and hoping they match something.
For CH 3.0, I would like to see a great algorithm for matching jobs to your skills, interests, etc. A much smarter matching algorithm than simple tags.
Example filters:
Owner has many technical skills.
Owner is popular, or has a good track record, or has a lot of glory points.
Owner has worked on other businesses.
Owner has cambros at disposal.
Owner is on the site a lot.
Filter business down to either application, game, or website.
Business has more than one person on the team.
People on the team have received cambros or royalties from the owner (shows they're active).
Business is fully developed (has a video, etc.).
Business won an IdeaWarz contest.
...Along with the old tag matching. Except, I think tags should be more for interest matching than skill matching.
etc.
As you can see, most of my problem is that with the majority of businesses on here, my work will be in vain if I help them out. A good idea is nothing without a dedicated owner and active support, and if the owner doesn't have technical skills and doesn't have cambros, how do I know he/she won't ditch it if I can no longer work on it? If I am the only person actually working on it, why don't I just work on my own stuff? I only want to work on businesses that will be successful.
The only businesses I have considered working for only royalties are businesses such as Film Funder, Spoil My Spouse, etc. because they had dedicated, skilled owners.
I would also like to see a nicer browse layout. The current one is so messy and needs lots of filters like I mentioned above.
The bazaar is pretty nice, but I would like to see more people looking for developers on it than people selling ideas.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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Is there an example of tagging where synonyms are presented as you enter? There must be, and I imagine an ultimate solution would feature that, but if someone has spotted one lemmie know.
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Blue
Member since: Nov 22, 2006 Rank: Princess (819 Posts) |
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From Siddey (in another thread):
Who thinks it would be a good idea for CH to set up an area in which community book recommendations like this can be posted and where CH then receives all the referral proceeds for any purchases made via the website?
Who thinks it would be a good idea for CH to set up an area in which community book recommendations like this can be posted and where CH then receives all the referral proceeds for any purchases made via the website?
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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On October 30, 2007, 9:45 am zentropy said:
I'd like to see a time-stamp added to RSS entries that get sent out. In periodes where quite some people reply to 1 thread there will be a list of the same forum thread titles entering one's rss client. It's quite hard to discern in such a case if there actually has been made a new reply.
Maybe rather than a time-stamp, something like x minutes/hours/days ago would be better, not sure if that can be done with rss though.
Zentrophy, what reader are you using? I don't use one myself and have been trying to replicate a sucky RSS experience (just subscribing to FORUMS RECENT POSTS)... and using RSS Bandit or Google Reader it seems to make sense to me.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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On November 5, 2007, 2:34 pm GordonMcDowell said:
On October 30, 2007, 9:45 am zentropy said:
I'd like to see a time-stamp added to RSS entries that get sent out. In periodes where quite some people reply to 1 thread there will be a list of the same forum thread titles entering one's rss client. It's quite hard to discern in such a case if there actually has been made a new reply.
Maybe rather than a time-stamp, something like x minutes/hours/days ago would be better, not sure if that can be done with rss though.
Zentrophy, what reader are you using? I don't use one myself and have been trying to replicate a sucky RSS experience (just subscribing to FORUMS RECENT POSTS)... and using RSS Bandit or Google Reader it seems to make sense to me.
In the following thread i posted a screenshot of the output of the RSS feed that i get. I'm not sure what to make of it, but perhaps it differs per RSS client, so perhaps i should simply try another RSS client.
http://www.cambrianh...topic/feedback/2052/
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bentobox
Member since: Mar 23, 2007 Rank: Merchant (45 Posts) |
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1) Pageable threads might be nice, this one could eventually take too long to load.
2) Give ideawarz winners glory points they can distribute to others that help with their idea. This would be easier to give out than royalty points and might help more ideas get moving. (Applies to this thread too. Maybe these can be allocated to a business' jobs.
3) For the week after Tournament of Champions, distribute the voteable ideas over a number of weeks (I think there were almost 200 ideas the week after the last TOC).
2) Give ideawarz winners glory points they can distribute to others that help with their idea. This would be easier to give out than royalty points and might help more ideas get moving. (Applies to this thread too. Maybe these can be allocated to a business' jobs.
3) For the week after Tournament of Champions, distribute the voteable ideas over a number of weeks (I think there were almost 200 ideas the week after the last TOC).
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bentobox
Member since: Mar 23, 2007 Rank: Merchant (45 Posts) |
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3) For the week after Tournament of Champions, distribute the voteable ideas over a number of weeks (I think there were almost 200 ideas the week after the last TOC).
The thought behind is the competition for the weekly ideawarz is much tougher the week after a TOC finishes. Submissions might be re-submitted into subsequent ideawarz just to have less competitors.
It looks like a lot of folks are volunteering to be terminated members of the week. Maybe the flag inappropriate or flag as 'best of' (like Craigslist) for forum posts will help with this? Would a staged termination be a possibility (e.g. first flag inappropriate is one week, next a month, finally indefinitely)? Is there a way to focus more on the positive (like the monthly Bezerker award)?
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see the title of a forum thread displayed in the title bar of the browser when having entered a forum thread.
Now only the forum name is displayed in the title bar, but i'd also like to see the thread title displayed, because when having some tabs open it's easy to forget what thread the particular tab is. It's offcourse possible to scroll up or hit the home key, but with long threads if you hit home and then try to find back the exact reply where you left off reading can be a bit cumbersome.
I think it would be easier if the title of the thread you are in would be displayed in the title bar of the browser.
Now only the forum name is displayed in the title bar, but i'd also like to see the thread title displayed, because when having some tabs open it's easy to forget what thread the particular tab is. It's offcourse possible to scroll up or hit the home key, but with long threads if you hit home and then try to find back the exact reply where you left off reading can be a bit cumbersome.
I think it would be easier if the title of the thread you are in would be displayed in the title bar of the browser.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see an RSS feed for the businesses section.
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Magickaito
Member since: Nov 13, 2007 Rank: Warrior (130 Posts) |
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Should CH shows new ideas once a week only?
I think the main attractions of this site is the IDEAS..
Looking at the same list of ideas all the time within ONE WHOLE WEEK..users might really get bored?
It only take <1 hour to read them all!
Is it possible to have the new ideas in the bank be read immediately? While the ideas will still be only votable in next round..
That will make more sense for users to keep return to this site!
I think the main attractions of this site is the IDEAS..
Looking at the same list of ideas all the time within ONE WHOLE WEEK..users might really get bored?
It only take <1 hour to read them all!
Is it possible to have the new ideas in the bank be read immediately? While the ideas will still be only votable in next round..
That will make more sense for users to keep return to this site!
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Well, they all can be read ahead of time right now by selecting "All" (Three over from the left)
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Magickaito
Member since: Nov 13, 2007 Rank: Warrior (130 Posts) |
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oops!!!
i didnt notice the "ALL" options!!!!
Thanks!
i didnt notice the "ALL" options!!!!
Thanks!
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Sole_Cross
Member since: Jul 16, 2007 Rank: Peasant (8 Posts) |
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Are Hotmail users be welcome on CH3.0?
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techguy
Member since: Aug 3, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1231 Posts) |
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On November 19, 2007, 1:15 pm Sole_Cross said:
Are Hotmail users be welcome on CH3.0?
Of course they will be. As long as they can figure out Hotmail's spam filter. If they can't, then they probably shouldn't be apart of it.
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Magickaito
Member since: Nov 13, 2007 Rank: Warrior (130 Posts) |
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Currently, only in "refine idea" page, we can see the detailed average points we are getting..in the my idea page, we can only see the approximate value..
I think most of us will be very interested in the progress of the "detailed" average points..esp during the first few days of the voting week.
It shall be able to be seen somewhere else other than the "refine idea" page!
I think most of us will be very interested in the progress of the "detailed" average points..esp during the first few days of the voting week.
It shall be able to be seen somewhere else other than the "refine idea" page!
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GroundLoad
Member since: Oct 17, 2007 Rank: Viking King (545 Posts) |
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I would like to see a small signature area for posts in the forums in CH 3.0. Perhaps it could show also our top business idea, what stage it is in, and what help we are looking for currently. It may increase participation.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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Perhaps a "report inappropriate" link can be added to PM's, sometimes people get spam in their PM inbox, but the only way to report it is on the forum.
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Freestate
Member since: Nov 17, 2007 Rank: Noble (53 Posts) |
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On November 27, 2007, 11:19 am zentropy said:
Perhaps a "report inappropriate" link can be added to PM's, sometimes people get spam in their PM inbox, but the only way to report it is on the forum.
Agree, spammers don't need to know who reported them.
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DrV
Member since: Oct 19, 2007 Rank: Merchant (15 Posts) |
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I created an idea out of this before realizing there were forums, and this topic. So enjoy...
Create an area (or tool) within CambrianHouse where people can brainstorm on ideas they have to help better refine them. This would include a "thought web" where people can create a central idea "bubble" and create additional "bubbles" that are offshoot ideas of the main idea. The Brainstormer could allow a person to interconnect the ideas and provide side notes for how the ideas interconnect.
The Brainstormer should have an "Invite" option that would enable the creator of the idea to invite other CH friends to join in on the idea building process. The amount of contribution to the idea can all be tracked via the number of bubble's created by a contributor and a rating that can be assigned to the bubble to judge the impact to the overall idea. The creator of the idea can also Invite people to work on "Sections" of the idea. So if someone has technical knowledge, a bubble can be created and "Sectioned" off to Invite technical people to work on ONLY the technical aspect of the idea leaving the main concepts to the control of the original creator.
Create an area (or tool) within CambrianHouse where people can brainstorm on ideas they have to help better refine them. This would include a "thought web" where people can create a central idea "bubble" and create additional "bubbles" that are offshoot ideas of the main idea. The Brainstormer could allow a person to interconnect the ideas and provide side notes for how the ideas interconnect.
The Brainstormer should have an "Invite" option that would enable the creator of the idea to invite other CH friends to join in on the idea building process. The amount of contribution to the idea can all be tracked via the number of bubble's created by a contributor and a rating that can be assigned to the bubble to judge the impact to the overall idea. The creator of the idea can also Invite people to work on "Sections" of the idea. So if someone has technical knowledge, a bubble can be created and "Sectioned" off to Invite technical people to work on ONLY the technical aspect of the idea leaving the main concepts to the control of the original creator.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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On November 25, 2007, 3:35 pm GroundLoad said:
I would like to see a small signature area for posts in the forums in CH 3.0. Perhaps it could show also our top business idea, what stage it is in, and what help we are looking for currently.
What does signature area mean? Like a customized tag you end every post with?
zentropy~
Perhaps a "report inappropriate" link can be added to PM's, sometimes people get spam in their PM inbox, but the only way to report it is on the forum.
For sure. Its just a Gord bottleneck reason why that's not happened yet.
DrV~
Create an area (or tool) within CambrianHouse where people can brainstorm on ideas they have to help better refine them.
That would have to be CH3 idea if we wrote the tool itself or license it, but there's the possibility that an embeddable solution could be dropped into CH2. It would probably try pull traffic from CH (otherwise why would it be offered), but its possible there's a quick way to offer more visual brainstorming tools within our current site design.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see a search function for the forum, where one can search on either thread title or thread contents. As the forum grows older threads become harder to find back.
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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Zentropy, there is already a forum search... granted it is kind of weak, you can use it by scrolling down on the forums page and entering your search term in the "Keyword/Tag" field.
There is also an "Advanced Search" link in the same area.
There is also an "Advanced Search" link in the same area.
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jobby
Member since: Dec 17, 2007 Rank: Noble (50 Posts) |
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I only just found this thread
How about a search item in the forum where users are prompted to input their idea first (before they submit one) to search if it or a very similar idea has already been carried out on this site. This would reduce the number of ideas each round which just annoy more long-term users.
Also, say after inputting an idea into the search function, the user finds an idea similar to the one they are about to propose. How about offering feedback to them, in terms of why the idea failed previously (A fresh mind may come up with a fresh solution to a problem which halted the progress of the previous idea)
Basically I think there should be more functionality allowing users of this site to sift through old ideas and see where they've failed and where they've been successful etc. This would help future users develop and refine their own ideas.
How about a search item in the forum where users are prompted to input their idea first (before they submit one) to search if it or a very similar idea has already been carried out on this site. This would reduce the number of ideas each round which just annoy more long-term users.
Also, say after inputting an idea into the search function, the user finds an idea similar to the one they are about to propose. How about offering feedback to them, in terms of why the idea failed previously (A fresh mind may come up with a fresh solution to a problem which halted the progress of the previous idea)
Basically I think there should be more functionality allowing users of this site to sift through old ideas and see where they've failed and where they've been successful etc. This would help future users develop and refine their own ideas.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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On December 19, 2007, 10:11 am jobby said:
Basically I think there should be more functionality allowing users of this site to sift through old ideas and see where they've failed and where they've been successful etc. This would help future users develop and refine their own ideas.
Yes its been suggested that as we intake ideas, we're not helping identify potential matches or related idea. A similar model would be how DIGG presents you with similar stories when you're making a submission in hopes you'll identify any matches.
Decent advice.
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jobby
Member since: Dec 17, 2007 Rank: Noble (50 Posts) |
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Ok, here's another one.
No, unfortunately I do not have enough time to read all of these comments to see if has already been suggested but......
I feel there is a need for ideas which have had new 'comments' posted to them since your last look would be an invaluable tool in improving the user quality of this site.
If this functionality is already offered and I haven't yet found it just ignore me and bare in mind that I am a noooob.
Thanks
No, unfortunately I do not have enough time to read all of these comments to see if has already been suggested but......
I feel there is a need for ideas which have had new 'comments' posted to them since your last look would be an invaluable tool in improving the user quality of this site.
If this functionality is already offered and I haven't yet found it just ignore me and bare in mind that I am a noooob.
Thanks
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ccozad
Member since: Jul 31, 2007 Rank: Viking King (918 Posts) |
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I think something like that has been suggested before, though I think it adds weight to the importance of it by having another "independent" person point it out.
Besides, sometimes someone saying the same thing in a little different way may be just what is needed to get the idea across.
Besides, sometimes someone saying the same thing in a little different way may be just what is needed to get the idea across.
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micco
Member since: Mar 28, 2007 Rank: Warrior (233 Posts) |
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On December 19, 2007, 5:54 pm jobby said:
I feel there is a need for ideas which have had new 'comments' posted to them since your last look would be an invaluable tool in improving the user quality of this site.
I've used forums that handled this by sorting threads by last activity (just like the forums here do) and by highlighting threads that have changed since your last login. The former would seem to be really easy to implement as just another sort option on the idea list, and if it just displayed the timestamp of the last activity like the forums do, it would be easy to see things that had been active since your last look.
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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Another option I would like to see in CH3 is the posibility to make new rows in the Bio on my profile.
If you now add Enters to your Bio (http://www.cambrianhouse.com/my-profile/my-profile-modify/) they will not be showed when visitors/members are looking at your Bio on your profile page. (I know this is not a very important option, but I've been asking for this since the CH Beta ++)
If you now add Enters to your Bio (http://www.cambrianhouse.com/my-profile/my-profile-modify/) they will not be showed when visitors/members are looking at your Bio on your profile page. (I know this is not a very important option, but I've been asking for this since the CH Beta ++)
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CG_EOL
Member since: Jun 14, 2007 Rank: Merchant (21 Posts) |
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Is there some CH3 glitch happening recently or a test run?
,y othe ropen FORUM page shows some STARS
to rate the posted COMMENTS. Yes you read it right, rating the comments posted!
Oddly Groundload has only 34 post on this old thread.
,y othe ropen FORUM page shows some STARS
to rate the posted COMMENTS. Yes you read it right, rating the comments posted!
GroundLoad
Member since: Oct 17, 2007
Rank: Merchant (34 Posts)
Just read ccozads link. Yep, that confirms it.
Posted: October 21, 2007, 4:43 pm
Rating Stars===>>>> * * * * *
Oddly Groundload has only 34 post on this old thread.
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CG_EOL
Member since: Jun 14, 2007 Rank: Merchant (21 Posts) |
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Oops I clicked the stars and says: VOTE RECORDED ( another GP?)
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JelmerBV
Member since: Oct 1, 2006 Rank: Chief (283 Posts) |
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On December 26, 2007, 9:23 pm CG_EOL said:
Oops I clicked the stars and says: VOTE RECORDED ( another GP?)
(No you don't get GP's for voting on Forum posts (http://www.cambrianhouse.com/forums/topic/general-discussion/2316/))
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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I feel there is a need for ideas which have had new 'comments' posted to them since your last look would be an invaluable tool in improving the user quality of this site.
Yes, that sounds like a good feature for CH3.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see a "report inappropriate" button on watercooler entries so that the CH staff can remove spam from the watercoolers of members.
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zentropy
Member since: Jul 27, 2007 Rank: Warrior (247 Posts) |
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I'd like to see a report inappropriate link in bazaar entries.
Once in a while spam appears in the bazaar.
Once in a while spam appears in the bazaar.
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ehicks727
Member since: Jan 17, 2008 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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Hi, new to CH and felt the need to comment on the user interface... glad this thread exists.
It was mentioned before, I'm sure, but I can't figure out how to view recent activity. If it's there, then please someone enlighten me.
I'm not one to criticize without also offering a solution, so here's my suggestion...
I like the IDEAS page, but the existing sorting doesn't do enough for me. It would be nice if a "NEW" graphic appeared next to an idea that was added since I last visited. I don't like having to remember ideas and wondering if I've missed any that may be buried down the page.
It would also be nice to have a page that lists the last comments on ideas since I last logged in.
My last suggestion is to widen the web page. I just read a study that stated that pretty much everyone has at least a 1024x768 display now (and if they don't, then force them to upgrade). 900px to 960px wide sites are the standard now days! Widening the page would help with the cluttered look... Everything on this site is vying for my attention and it ends up getting none. "White space" is your friend.
Oh, one more thing... from an SEO standpoint, your single words are dense for "crowds", "crowdsourcing", and "ideas", but there are very few frequently used two and three word keyword phrases that are floating to the top. If you want to get ranked higher, you need more dense two and three word keyword phrases. That's just a start on the SEO stuff, ther e is A LOT more to do on this site.
It was mentioned before, I'm sure, but I can't figure out how to view recent activity. If it's there, then please someone enlighten me.
I'm not one to criticize without also offering a solution, so here's my suggestion...
I like the IDEAS page, but the existing sorting doesn't do enough for me. It would be nice if a "NEW" graphic appeared next to an idea that was added since I last visited. I don't like having to remember ideas and wondering if I've missed any that may be buried down the page.
It would also be nice to have a page that lists the last comments on ideas since I last logged in.
My last suggestion is to widen the web page. I just read a study that stated that pretty much everyone has at least a 1024x768 display now (and if they don't, then force them to upgrade). 900px to 960px wide sites are the standard now days! Widening the page would help with the cluttered look... Everything on this site is vying for my attention and it ends up getting none. "White space" is your friend.
Oh, one more thing... from an SEO standpoint, your single words are dense for "crowds", "crowdsourcing", and "ideas", but there are very few frequently used two and three word keyword phrases that are floating to the top. If you want to get ranked higher, you need more dense two and three word keyword phrases. That's just a start on the SEO stuff, ther e is A LOT more to do on this site.
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vanhees
Member since: May 30, 2007 Rank: Viking King (599 Posts) |
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Very good comment
Tommy
Tommy
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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JelmerBV~"Uuuuhhhh???" (Gord makes Ellen Feiss sound upon reading this.) I see, yes. Will fix if its easy.
Another option I would like to see in CH3 is the posibility to make new rows in the Bio on my profile.
ACK: We need more report inappropriate buttons on CH2.
New comments on ideas feed: There is currently a mechanism by which forum threads can be subscribed to. Does anyone use it? (Just checking.) I could implement similar on Ideas so you subscribe to an idea and are alerted to updates. That is not ideal just one approach.
The consolidated... heres all what is new... summary page. I do like it, some of it would be obvious... if you submitted an idea obviously you care about new posts. But since we don't have tree-structure comments anywhere, how to know if you care about a follow-up comment on a thread or idea you did not create?
I was pondering an alias search... any time someone mentioned your name that content is summarized (or you get an email alert).
Or we could start tracking slightly more tree like conversations (even if they're not shown as such) when people hit {reply to this post} in forums (but does not exist in idea comments).
I agree we need a what-is-new summary. My biggest value would be when I post a comment on an idea, and the idea submitter responds but I'm not notified and I need to re-check the idea to know about their response. Idea refining wise, that's the biggest suck on our site right now.
ehicks727!~http://www.cambrianh...e.com/idea/all-time/
It would be nice if a "NEW" graphic appeared next to an idea that was added since I last visited.
...is a reverse chronological sort. There's no YOU-HAVE-NOT-SEEN-THIS-YET icon, but its possible people can figure out themselves what they have and have-not seen. It is a decent suggestion, but not worth the efforts compared to bigger usability issues right now.
ehicks727!~We won't be updating our look and feel until CH3. Again, it is a reasonable suggestion, but DDT (our graphic designers) don't have time for CH2.
My last suggestion is to widen the web page.
Perhaps I could interest you in a nice 800x600 CRT monitor? It makes our site look oh-so-nice!
ehicks727!~
SEO standpoint, your single words are dense for "crowds", "crowdsourcing", and "ideas", but there are very few frequently used two and three word keyword phrases that are floating to the top.
Could you suggest a modification to a piece of copy on our site so I better understand what you are saying? It need not be a practical change, just something to illustrate to me what you are saying.
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ehicks727
Member since: Jan 17, 2008 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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On January 18, 2008, 9:55 am GordonMcDowell said:
Could you suggest a modification to a piece of copy on our site so I better understand what you are saying? It need not be a practical change, just something to illustrate to me what you are saying.
Here are the single word densities on your home page that have at least 3 occurances
Word Count Density
crowds 10 2.25%
crowdsourcing 8 1.80%
about 5 1.12%
this 5 1.12%
form 5 1.12%
2007 5 1.12%
month 4 0.90%
with 4 0.90%
cambrian 4 0.90%
your 4 0.90%
house 4 0.90%
name 4 0.90%
start 3 0.67%
more 3 0.67%
ideas 3 0.67%
login 3 0.67%
home 3 0.67%
mail 3 0.67%
people 3 0.67%
Here are the two-word phrases (with more than 1 occurance)
Phrase Count Density
cambrian house 4 0.90%
this month 4 0.90%
please e 2 0.45%
the world 2 0.45%
the form 2 0.45%
internet to 2 0.45%
house get 2 0.45%
crowdsourcing crowdsourcing 2 0.45%
And finally, here are the three-word phrases (with more than 1 occurance)
Phrase Count Density
this month s 4 0.90%
is this month 3 0.67%
cambrian house get 2 0.45%
FYI, my tool takes into consideration title tags, meta keyword, meta description, and all the other goodies.
So, what this tell me is that you don't have enough two and three-word phrases. Most people have learned to focus their searching by using more words to get at what they want. For example, if you are interested in finding Dentists in Atlanta, but you only type in "dentists", you're search is not focused enough. You'd type in "atlanta dentists" to focus your search.
I don't know if you've all done a keyword analysis yet, but I can imagine that the people interested in what you have to offer will type in more than just "crowdsourcing". It's good that you're on the first page for the single term "crowdsourcing", but most people don't know what that is yet, therefore they won't even be typing that. They may be more interested in "cooperative business planning" or something like that. They'll keep typing phrases until they find what they want.
Do you have Google Analytics set up? Have you extracted a history of all the keyword phrases that people have ever used to find this site? That should get you started with a list to target. Or just brainstorm all the synonymous phrases for what you have to offer. What are the synonyms for "business crowdsourcing"?
Anyway, once you figure out a list of keyword phrases that you want to be found for, then you need to strategically place those phrases throughout your site. Put them in the title tag, h1 and h2 tags, in bolded text, in the main content, in the footer... sprinkle them all over the place. I like to achieve a density of around 3% for my most important keyword phrases, and I only optimize for up to three phrases for the home page, otherwise you're diluting your optimization.
SEO follows the 80/20 rule... it's 80% on-page optimization, and 20% off-page (and the off-page must be strategic and optimized, otherwise it's ineffective). Just getting links does not really help, they need to be effective links... usually 5-8 good links is all you need. 1000's of links is useless. If you have them, great.. but they probably aren't doing anything for you.
So there... now you know the "secret sauce" to SEO. There's nothing secret about it... it just takes discipline and attention to detail (and a little money).
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ehicks727
Member since: Jan 17, 2008 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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On January 18, 2008, 9:55 am GordonMcDowell said:
ehicks727!~http://www.cambrianh...e.com/idea/all-time/
It would be nice if a "NEW" graphic appeared next to an idea that was added since I last visited.
...is a reverse chronological sort. There's no YOU-HAVE-NOT-SEEN-THIS-YET icon, but its possible people can figure out themselves what they have and have-not seen. It is a decent suggestion, but not worth the efforts compared to bigger usability issues right now.
Just my $.02, this SHOULD be high on the priority list because the current process does not scale well... meaning, if your goals are for this website to be wildly popular, you may one day be getting more and more ideas each week. If you ever get to the point where you have hundreds of ideas, then you need an obvious way to keep track of the new ones. "Figuring it out themselves" is not an option. Building the scalability in at the beginning is easier than doing it later.
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GordonMcDowell
Member since: Aug 15, 2006 Rank: Viking King (925 Posts) |
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On January 21, 2008, 4:56 pm ehicks727 said:I don't mean to say its not important, but rather I believe being alerted to posts on your ideas, or responses to your ideas is more important than seeing which ideas are new.
...this SHOULD be high on the priority list because the current process does not scale well... meaning, if your goals are for this website to be wildly popular, you may one day be getting more and more ideas each week. If you ever get to the point where you have hundreds of ideas, then you need an obvious way to keep track of the new ones.
I'm just putting the back-and-forth banter over one particular idea higher priority-wise than finding new ideas and leaving a single comment with no notification about a response.
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CyberCerberus
Member since: Jul 6, 2006 Rank: God of Thunder (1181 Posts) |
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On January 21, 2008, 4:43 pm ehicks727 said:
SEO follows the 80/20 rule... it's 80% on-page optimization, and 20% off-page (and the off-page must be strategic and optimized, otherwise it's ineffective).
Sorry to nitpick, but that's not what the 80/20 rule means. The 80/20 rule says that "20% of your _____ provides 80% of your _____"
So for example, "20% of our customers are providing 80% of our revenue, so we need to identify who those 20% are and focus on them." It doesn't mean "this is split up 80/20".
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ehicks727
Member since: Jan 17, 2008 Rank: Peasant (5 Posts) |
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On January 21, 2008, 5:13 pm CyberCerberus said:
On January 21, 2008, 4:43 pm ehicks727 said:
SEO follows the 80/20 rule... it's 80% on-page optimization, and 20% off-page (and the off-page must be strategic and optimized, otherwise it's ineffective).
Sorry to nitpick, but that's not what the 80/20 rule means. The 80/20 rule says that "20% of your _____ provides 80% of your _____"
So for example, "20% of our customers are providing 80% of our revenue, so we need to identify who those 20% are and focus on them." It doesn't mean "this is split up 80/20".
HA! You're right.. I was about to explain why what I typed was right, but after I re-read it... I'm wrong
Ok, let me rephrase that so that it works...
on-page SEO takes less time and effort (say 20%, as opposed to 80% for off-page efforts), but it gets you 80% of your return on effort.
There... I stand corrected.
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natmaka
Member since: Dec 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (75 Posts) |
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As no one knows for sure what is needed, CH3 must be an exploratory tool.
Ideawarz aims at selecting the 'best idea', therefore my votes are cast with respect to four idea-scoring criteria, and I'm willing to discover any other pertinent one:
* usefulness
As in 'useful to me' (how may I try to seriously take into account my perception of the usefulness for another person?), therefore this axis is reserved to people genuinely interested in the idea's effect.
* innovation
As in 'a new effect, not similar to something already available'. Somebody stranger to the field of application cannot really know.
* realism
Is it realistic, can it be done? Same here: if I don't know the field, I can't say what is realistic or not (many here know about computer science and immediately detect that some ideas are 'technically' out of reach for the time being).
* crowdsourceable
That's a tough one, let's forget about it for now.
Bottomline: any incentive aiming at having every user vote for every idea is opposed to the real revealing score, which is the proportion of prospects (people who may benefit from the idea) who will actually like it. Such an approach is efficient at letting a clever idea very useful to a few be on a par with a gadget vaguely useful to many.
Net effect: one may only vote for/against an idea if he/she is at the very least interested in its field. Granted, it will quickly transform into a MIA any specific idea... but, right now, I think that they are butchered (by voters who can't grasp their interest) or sustained thanks to the form of "good-will" ("I'm cool, I always grant 4 or 5 stars" which kills any contest. Such an approach is the sole adequate in my opinion, and it catalyzes what will make it effective: a real crowd, I mean a huge group where there is always at least a bunch of voters able to adequately judge an idea, because they know the field.
This is not 'power to the experts' because there is no co-optation, evaluation, publication...
To limit the amount of voting work: votes casted by "winners" and "champions" may enable any user to screen some ideas out. To avoid frustrating some it must be a public process and all ideas will compete: some users will be happy to only see the batch of ideas preferred by the committee while others may chose to see all ideas and maybe contribute in order to refine "screened out" ones. This is dynamic and with no obligation for the committee to pre-screen: all ideas compete simultaneously, and users willing to benefit from the committee screening come 2 or 3 days after vote start, hoping that most committee members already voted.
Ideawarz aims at selecting the 'best idea', therefore my votes are cast with respect to four idea-scoring criteria, and I'm willing to discover any other pertinent one:
* usefulness
As in 'useful to me' (how may I try to seriously take into account my perception of the usefulness for another person?), therefore this axis is reserved to people genuinely interested in the idea's effect.
* innovation
As in 'a new effect, not similar to something already available'. Somebody stranger to the field of application cannot really know.
* realism
Is it realistic, can it be done? Same here: if I don't know the field, I can't say what is realistic or not (many here know about computer science and immediately detect that some ideas are 'technically' out of reach for the time being).
* crowdsourceable
That's a tough one, let's forget about it for now.
Bottomline: any incentive aiming at having every user vote for every idea is opposed to the real revealing score, which is the proportion of prospects (people who may benefit from the idea) who will actually like it. Such an approach is efficient at letting a clever idea very useful to a few be on a par with a gadget vaguely useful to many.
Net effect: one may only vote for/against an idea if he/she is at the very least interested in its field. Granted, it will quickly transform into a MIA any specific idea... but, right now, I think that they are butchered (by voters who can't grasp their interest) or sustained thanks to the form of "good-will" ("I'm cool, I always grant 4 or 5 stars"
which kills any contest. Such an approach is the sole adequate in my opinion, and it catalyzes what will make it effective: a real crowd, I mean a huge group where there is always at least a bunch of voters able to adequately judge an idea, because they know the field. This is not 'power to the experts' because there is no co-optation, evaluation, publication...
To limit the amount of voting work: votes casted by "winners" and "champions" may enable any user to screen some ideas out. To avoid frustrating some it must be a public process and all ideas will compete: some users will be happy to only see the batch of ideas preferred by the committee while others may chose to see all ideas and maybe contribute in order to refine "screened out" ones. This is dynamic and with no obligation for the committee to pre-screen: all ideas compete simultaneously, and users willing to benefit from the committee screening come 2 or 3 days after vote start, hoping that most committee members already voted.
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siddey
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Chief (408 Posts) |
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Either for the current or future CH3.0 "friends" function, can we force people to enter a personal message / greeting instead of the current Amazon-style, single click friendship.
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natmaka
Member since: Dec 26, 2007 Rank: Noble (75 Posts) |
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A zone hosting documents explaining why some ideas are moot, just like any patent office explains why he just cannot consider perpetual movement and other similar stuff.
For example a document will explain why any open voting system, without any strong authentication, deciding upon some important issue... is doomed, and why any such system only using some deterrent fee must be carefully devised. A couple of my past messages and comments are potential bases for this particular document and I volunteer to write the first draft of this particular one. There are other potential similar documents.
Another case is whatever relies on problems not already solved at theoretical level (machine translation of free text...)
Rationale: many proposed ideas are impeded by such major problem, this is a waste of time for everyone, especially as some of those ideas even manage to top rank albeit they simply can't be successful or ever implemented.
Each document will explain that it is OK to propose a way to solve the underlying problem (a major breakthrough, maybe Excalibur-style, can proceed from this) but that any idea depending upon it and not solving it will be excluded, or somewhat taged "utopia" by CH staff (or winners/champions?) or whatever, but not considered just as potentially implementable ideas.
The document (FAQ?) conclusion, for any underlying approach/technology/whatever not ready or even possible, will be that the incumbent is invited to propose a way to fix the problem, or to refrain posting the idea.
Most of those documents can link to various existing material (published on the Web).
For example a document will explain why any open voting system, without any strong authentication, deciding upon some important issue... is doomed, and why any such system only using some deterrent fee must be carefully devised. A couple of my past messages and comments are potential bases for this particular document and I volunteer to write the first draft of this particular one. There are other potential similar documents.
Another case is whatever relies on problems not already solved at theoretical level (machine translation of free text...)
Rationale: many proposed ideas are impeded by such major problem, this is a waste of time for everyone, especially as some of those ideas even manage to top rank albeit they simply can't be successful or ever implemented.
Each document will explain that it is OK to propose a way to solve the underlying problem (a major breakthrough, maybe Excalibur-style, can proceed from this) but that any idea depending upon it and not solving it will be excluded, or somewhat taged "utopia" by CH staff (or winners/champions?) or whatever, but not considered just as potentially implementable ideas.
The document (FAQ?) conclusion, for any underlying approach/technology/whatever not ready or even possible, will be that the incumbent is invited to propose a way to fix the problem, or to refrain posting the idea.
Most of those documents can link to various existing material (published on the Web).
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Emesee
Member since: Apr 16, 2007 Rank: Warrior (156 Posts) |
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Just to have them here:
1. able to have public business records
2. able to allocate certain abilities to team members within a business
3. able to have separate Cambros accounts for businesses
1. able to have public business records
2. able to allocate certain abilities to team members within a business
3. able to have separate Cambros accounts for businesses
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Kevin_Cox
Member since: Oct 14, 2006 Rank: Viking King (557 Posts) |
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New pages for long topics and comment discussions like this one here.
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chrischen
Member since: Feb 14, 2008 Rank: Noble (57 Posts) |
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Make email verification necessary!!!
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Emesee
Member since: Apr 16, 2007 Rank: Warrior (156 Posts) |
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a. Allow ALL ideas to be sorted by total score so that ideas that over a long period of time have been said to be quality will float to the top even if they haven't necessarily conquered in Idea Warz.
b. Break up forum posts into pages once they become a certain length, but still give the option to view them all on one page. Ah!
b. Break up forum posts into pages once they become a certain length, but still give the option to view them all on one page. Ah!
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Emesee
Member since: Apr 16, 2007 Rank: Warrior (156 Posts) |
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be able to invest Cambros as capital and be able to take them in/out of a business at a loss/gain depending on the success of that business
maybe something like that
maybe something like that
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daraddishman
Member since: Apr 8, 2008 Rank: Warrior (123 Posts) |
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and the ability to donate Cambros to a business, not just a person. And getting Glory Points for investing in a business.
and the ability to donate Cambros to a business, not just a person. And getting Glory Points for investing in a business.
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Emesee
Member since: Apr 16, 2007 Rank: Warrior (156 Posts) |
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Glory points for contributing to the wiki. :p
We're always upon for feedback concerning our site, but CH should be making a specific point of it in regards to CH 3.0. If there's any thoughts on future site design you think we could be overlooking let us know.
We already receive feedback from this forum category ("Releases/Feedback"
If you want to inspire some community banter about your suggestions for improvement this is the ideal place to share them.
Posted: July 24, 2007, 9:34 am